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Post by Donny - Bucks on Aug 8, 2022 22:58:05 GMT
… you took it there? I don’t doubt what John is doing is good and he’s building a competitive squad but the dollars don’t go as far in most cases, not to mention you don’t win without a strong bench in this league with how many strong teams there are… that’s all, it’s a really hard cap crunch if you don’t have high end rookie depth to work with All I did was show how you had a core for that was more expensive than the 5 he would have now. Didn't take it to who was better. You said he would "struggle" but I don't think he would. Plus he can always go over at day 60 to build his bench. Not like that isn't an option. yes... but the talent levels are way off... if you have a core of 4 All-League players, spending $130m is a non issue
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Post by pjclippers on Aug 8, 2022 22:59:36 GMT
This is really a non-issue anyway as Olle is probably retiring after this year and King is already dying. Going to have an entirely new core next season most likely.
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Post by Rog on Aug 8, 2022 23:02:09 GMT
Seems like they're gonna struggle to keep Aguirre long-term without getting rid of one of their other core pieces but yeah core set for 1 1/2 seasons Lundqvist/Lever/King/Radja= 130,905,000 Ainge/Aguirre/Harper/Unsled/Cartwright= 122,883,055 So i think they will be just fine. Harper's contract is so great for them. Don't expect Aguirre to demand another max contract. Even if he needs to overpay to keep him I can see someone taking a flyer on Unseld when the big market is so weak. John just can't be cheap when it comes to offering Aguirre a contract. Acting like John with a cap crunch vs Donny with a cap crunch is the same thing. No offense meant towards John, but right now Donny is the best GM in the league by far and John hasn't done much of anything since.... well ever. I do like what John has been building last few years and don't think this is a terrible trade but I agree with Donny on his financial situation.
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Aug 8, 2022 23:03:28 GMT
This is really a non-issue anyway as Olle is probably retiring after this year and King is already dying. Going to have an entirely new core next season most likely. If you're calling a player with B- A C B+ B C who is eligible for +10's to his strength and quickness over the next 2 seasons 'dead' maybe you really are just the worst talent evaluator in the league
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Post by Rog on Aug 8, 2022 23:05:10 GMT
This is really a non-issue anyway as Olle is probably retiring after this year and King is already dying. Going to have an entirely new core next season most likely. If you're calling a player with B- A C B+ B C who is eligible for +10's to his strength and quickness over the next 2 seasons 'dead' maybe you really are just the worst talent evaluator in the league bUt He Is AvErAgInG lEsS pOiNtS
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Post by pjclippers on Aug 8, 2022 23:05:17 GMT
I mean all his numbers have drastically fallen off this year - to be fair I forgot about those camps since I haven't had anyone old enough to use them lately so that could definitely help but I would imagine you'll be blocking him soon to try and get rid of him
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 8, 2022 23:09:02 GMT
Lundqvist/Lever/King/Radja= 130,905,000 Ainge/Aguirre/Harper/Unsled/Cartwright= 122,883,055 So i think they will be just fine. Harper's contract is so great for them. Don't expect Aguirre to demand another max contract. Even if he needs to overpay to keep him I can see someone taking a flyer on Unseld when the big market is so weak. John just can't be cheap when it comes to offering Aguirre a contract. Acting like John with a cap crunch vs Donny with a cap crunch is the same thing. No offense meant towards John, but right now Donny is the best GM in the league by far and John hasn't done much of anything since.... well ever. I do like what John has been building last few years and don't think this is a terrible trade but I agree with Donny on his financial situation. He said he would struggle. I'm just showing he has the ability to keep them all together. Donny has 3 max players and John would have 2 with 2 great contracts and 1 suspect. Its not comparing the players just the contracts. N ewwwww rog. Blow his head up even more lmao
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Aug 8, 2022 23:09:17 GMT
If you're calling a player with B- A C B+ B C who is eligible for +10's to his strength and quickness over the next 2 seasons 'dead' maybe you really are just the worst talent evaluator in the league bUt He Is AvErAgInG lEsS pOiNtS "all his numbers have drastically fallen off" yeah no shit he's shooting 33% from three back to the "once you hit 30 your career is over" vibe
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Post by Rog on Aug 8, 2022 23:10:14 GMT
Truthfully this is a solid deal for both IMO. 76ers keep banking firsts and the Wolves add to a nice lineup. Harper/Ainge/Aguirre/Unseld/Cartwright is solid. Not sold on his depth and I see major flaws(shot blocking, rebounding) that might hold him back. If Aguirre is bringing 1.2 more turnovers with him(his normal 2.5 vs Pace's current 1.3) that will hamper a strength of theirs too. They should score and rbeound better with this deal though for sure.
Wolves going for it with a nice, relatively young core is fun though.
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Post by Rog on Aug 8, 2022 23:12:36 GMT
Acting like John with a cap crunch vs Donny with a cap crunch is the same thing. No offense meant towards John, but right now Donny is the best GM in the league by far and John hasn't done much of anything since.... well ever. I do like what John has been building last few years and don't think this is a terrible trade but I agree with Donny on his financial situation. He said he would struggle. I'm just showing he has the ability to keep them all together. Donny has 3 max players and John would have 2 with 2 great contracts and 1 suspect. Its not comparing the players just the contracts. N ewwwww rog. Blow his head up even more lmao Donny's point was that he'd struggle with the salaries and thats true, without a doubt that he'll need to make moves to his core to make it work. That is inarguable and disputes your point about his core being set for a long time. And I'm saying its further true with his track record. I hope John has put it together from a GM standpoint and can figure out how to maneuver cap crunches, but its tough and the right moves have to be made or that 47 first could be juicy.
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Aug 8, 2022 23:15:48 GMT
He said he would struggle. I'm just showing he has the ability to keep them all together. Donny has 3 max players and John would have 2 with 2 great contracts and 1 suspect. Its not comparing the players just the contracts. N ewwwww rog. Blow his head up even more lmao Donny's point was that he'd struggle with the salaries and thats true, without a doubt that he'll need to make moves to his core to make it work. That is inarguable and disputes your point about his core being set for a long time. this was literally all i was trying to say considering i have not had any type of cap flexibility in like 3/4 seasons!!!
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 8, 2022 23:19:06 GMT
He said he would struggle. I'm just showing he has the ability to keep them all together. Donny has 3 max players and John would have 2 with 2 great contracts and 1 suspect. Its not comparing the players just the contracts. N ewwwww rog. Blow his head up even more lmao Donny's point was that he'd struggle with the salaries and thats true, without a doubt that he'll need to make moves to his core to make it work. That is inarguable and disputes your point about his core being set for a long time. And I'm saying its further true with his track record. I hope John has put it together from a GM standpoint and can figure out how to maneuver cap crunches, but its tough and the right moves have to be made or that 47 first could be juicy. Harper/Ainge/Cartwright all signed till 47. So working around them they will be fine. That 3 alone out west is gonna be a playoff team. Figuring out Unseld/Aguirre is his only issue. Both are movable pieces so don't see the "juicy" 47. But if you just going off him as a gm and not what is showing that's a totally different talk.
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 8, 2022 23:20:29 GMT
Donny's point was that he'd struggle with the salaries and thats true, without a doubt that he'll need to make moves to his core to make it work. That is inarguable and disputes your point about his core being set for a long time. this was literally all i was trying to say considering i have not had any type of cap flexibility in like 3/4 seasons!!! Talking money didn't have to go into who's better. That's all I was saying!!!
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Post by Rog on Aug 8, 2022 23:22:14 GMT
Donny's point was that he'd struggle with the salaries and thats true, without a doubt that he'll need to make moves to his core to make it work. That is inarguable and disputes your point about his core being set for a long time. And I'm saying its further true with his track record. I hope John has put it together from a GM standpoint and can figure out how to maneuver cap crunches, but its tough and the right moves have to be made or that 47 first could be juicy. Harper/Ainge/Cartwright all signed till 47. So working around them they will be fine. That 3 alone out west is gonna be a playoff team. Figuring out Unseld/Aguirre is his only issue. Both are movable pieces so don't see the "juicy" 47. But if you just going off him as a gm and not what is showing that's a totally different talk. All it takes is 1 bad move to snowball into more bad moves. John has done this before. Shit I've done this before, its not hard to do.
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Post by yourkers15 on Aug 8, 2022 23:25:46 GMT
Harper/Ainge/Cartwright all signed till 47. So working around them they will be fine. That 3 alone out west is gonna be a playoff team. Figuring out Unseld/Aguirre is his only issue. Both are movable pieces so don't see the "juicy" 47. But if you just going off him as a gm and not what is showing that's a totally different talk. All it takes is 1 bad move to snowball into more bad moves. John has done this before. Shit I've done this before, its not hard to do. Ok but I wasn't even going this route when I was showing what the cap hit was. Was just proving with their contract structures(Cartwright, Harper having great contracts), Ainge at the time being his only true max contract that it should be possible for him to keep all of them. It's not out of the realm and he could sit back and fill out his roster just how donny has the past couple of seasons. Wasn't taking who the gm was intl consideration and then who was better got thrown out there. I was purely talking numbers and nothing else lol.
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