2033 NBN Hall of Fame Nominee: Myles Turner

[Donny - Bucks]

The 128th nomination to the NBN Hall of Fame is Myles Turner. Turner is a seriously interesting case that's going to provide a good argument likely, for more reasons than one. Will Turner's 6 Championships make up for his lack of numbers? Let's discuss.

Career Stats
1,375 games - 10.1 PPG, 11.3 RPG, 2.6 APG, 2.9 BPG, 1.0 SPG, 1.2 TOPG, 42.8% from the field, 82.8% from the line, 34.9% from three

Best Season
2019 Kings - 14.7 PPG, 13.9 RPG, 3.2 APG, 4.0 BPG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 TOPG, 43.3% from the field, 84.9% from the line, 38.5% from three

Career Highs
Points: 34
Rebounds: 26
Assists: 10
Steals: 5
Blocks: 12

Achievements
Championships: 6
Player of the Game: 94
Player of the Week: 1
Player of the Month: 0
Double Doubles: 589
Triple Doubles: 14

Career Leaderboard Rankings
Rebounds - 13
Blocks - 8

Awards
2017 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2019 - All-Star Game Participant
2019 - All-League Third Team
2019 - All-Defensive Team
2020 - All-Star Game Participant
2020 - All-Defensive Second Team
2024 - All-Star Game Participant
2024 - All-League Third Team
2024 - All-Defensive Second Team
2025 - All-Defensive Second Team
2026 - All-Defensive Second Team
2027 - All-Star Game Participant
2027 - All-Defensive Second Team
2028 - All-Defensive Second Team
2029 - All-Star Game Participant
2029 - All-Defensive Second Team
2030 - All-Defensive Second Team



Arguments For Induction
- One of the best pure defender/rebounder combo bigs the league has ever seen. Ranks 13th all-time in rebounds and 8th all-time in blocks, even though he spent multiple years on the bench and getting super-sub minutes. 
- SIX Championships is really, really, really impressive. Especially considering he did it on multiple teams.
- Proved he could score effectively earlier in his career, putting up 14+ PPG three times in his first four years as a starter. Wasn't utilized as a scoring threat elsewhere, but he was a capable scorer.
- Great with stocks. Averaged at least 4 in the majority of his career, hovered around 5 for a large part of his career as well. 
- Rebounding prowess. 14 seasons in a row over 11.9 RPG, including 6 over 12.8. Very, very solid.
- Managed to get 589 double doubles, 14 triple doubles, 94 Player of the Game awards, and even won Player of the Week once.
- FIVE time All-Star, NINE time All-Defensive Team.

Arguments Against Induction
- Inducting Turner may open up some older cases where players didn't put up enough points to be valid options for the HoF.
- Turner's fall off near the end of his career was pretty significant. Struggled to hold himself over 10 PPG over more than the last half decade of his career. 
- His MO has become increasingly common over the last few years. Defensive/rebounding bigs are a dime a dozen, and while most aren't as skilled as he was, he's not incredibly far off.
- Spent his career being tossed around with a few long-term stints in between. Landed on six teams, wasn't considered exactly "important" by some GMs.
- Pedestrian scoring percentages. 42/83/34%'s are really nothing to get excited over.

Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully.


***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $25 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $25***

[Donny - Bucks]

Myles Turner Player Page
nothinbutnetleague.altervista.org/NothinButNet/2033/html/players/player394.htm

[Donny - Bucks]

I'm going to vote no on this one. As good as he was as a D and board kind of guy, he was a semi-replaceable member of most of the teams he was on. For example, on the 2020 Kings, he was the 4th most important player on the roster behind Ntilikina, Hield, and Wiggins. Could argue that Ryan Anderson or Al Horford land at 4th too.

I understand why anyone would go either way, but I'll be going no for now. Would love to hear an argument to sway me another way!

[lynchcats]

Two words. Scot Pollard. And Pollard was considered TWICE.

Myles Turner was better than him. Turner made five All-Star games, was one of the elite defensive big men ever in the league as evidenced by his nine appearances on the league's All-Defensive teams. Hell, he even made two All-League teams. The man was a very integral part of an astounding SIX championship teams. Very few players can say that. He's in as a member of the Kings.

[ucfinfan86]

I barely voted yes. The 2 reasons that really decided it for me was being top 13 in 2 very important categories is not an easy accomplishment. 17 seasons is alot, but it's not like he played an extra 3 years into his 40s just compiling blocks & rebounds. I also liked the fact he was able to win All League awards 11 years apart.

[vanimmer]

defensive force but not HOF

[Rog]

Turner is exceptionally borderline to me but I'm going to vote Yes given the pean he had in the first half of his career. Great defender overall but looked the part of an elite post player early on to allow me to look over his meh offense the 2nd part of his career.

[carmelo115]

Easy fucking yes and anyone saying otherwise is wrong. One of the BEST defenders of all time and his accolades show for it. He's the type of player you need in the post to win a championship. Elite rebounder and defender.

[JCog72]

I’m shocked he’s borderline to some but I may be a bit bias. Turner was exceptional for me at PF. Loved his game of playing top notch defense and being a good rebounder. Lynch compared him to Pollard and that’s pretty fair. Huge reason I won a title and he was a key piece of 6 championships.

[naterade]

I vote yes and it’s pretty close, since he wasn’t close to elite on offense, BUT based off his consistently elite levels of production on defense and ability to play his role as a defensive/rebounding center he gets the nod. He did it at an extremely high level for a long time and chased down a lot of championship rings, proving he brought the right stuff to a winning roster. And he got a lot of defensive accolades for his efforts.

[bigthunder]

I voted no for Myles but it was close. He was so good defensively for so long but I think he needed to do better on offense. Unless you are one of the top 10 defenders ever I doubt you can get in the HOF without more of a balanced game.

[pjclippers]

Won six championships and was one of the best rebounders/shot blockers in league history - that coupled with all his defensive awards makes him a shoo-in HOFer.

[frosty]

Yes. His insane number of rings is the driving force but he has enough individual accolades to back it up

[buckeyeballa10]

This is a yes for me, Turner is def one of the best defensive big men in NBN history. But he did some of the little things very well also -- like knock FT's down and not turn the ball over. Sure his offensive numbers werent great, but he was the prime example of someone who excelled in his role.

he was a crucial piece of my title runs, and without him we may not have had the success that we did. Excellent player and def HOF worthy.

[A. Silver]

Voted no, he was a nice defender but not enough points or rebounds to get in the hall.