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Post by Donny - Bucks on May 13, 2021 1:41:03 GMT
I'm not sure if you can blame Giannis for the fact that the Pistons played Kristaps Porzingis, who averaged 10.7/10 on .394 shooting and Nick Richards, who averaged 12.2/8.7 on .410 shooting over Giannis off the bench. 109 Nick Richards C 30 6'11'' 255 A- C C B+ B- C 227 Giannis Antetokounmpo. PF 34 6'11'' 240 A- C+ C B+ B+ C 458 Kristaps Porzingis PF 33 7'3'' 240 B+ B C- A- C+ C Are we holding poor GM'ing against players now? 8.7.3 8.7.3 regardless of the circumstances the fact is post 2026 he didnt do anything of note. I dont think we should hold poor GMing against players but i dont think this is a case of that. Killian Hayes on that team? Sure he was held back. But Giannis was a role player at that point and he was borderline in his prime theres nothing about his post 2026 years thats a positive imo Fair argument I guess. He hadn't really declined yet in 2027, but he was less of a factor for me considering I ran outside options all year with Cole, Herro, Boston. Per 36 in 2028 with the Pistons, he was like 17/12 or so, which really isn't bad for a 34 year old as a non option. I think you're overestimating his demise JUST slightly. 8.7.3 |
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Post by frosty on May 13, 2021 1:45:23 GMT
regardless of the circumstances the fact is post 2026 he didnt do anything of note. I dont think we should hold poor GMing against players but i dont think this is a case of that. Killian Hayes on that team? Sure he was held back. But Giannis was a role player at that point and he was borderline in his prime theres nothing about his post 2026 years thats a positive imo Fair argument I guess. He hadn't really declined yet in 2027, but he was less of a factor for me considering I ran outside options all year with Cole, Herro, Boston. Per 36 in 2028 with the Pistons, he was like 17/12 or so, which really isn't bad for a 34 year old as a non option. I think you're overestimating his demise JUST slightly. 8.7.3 its a close one for sure |
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Post by mcmuslim on May 13, 2021 4:28:40 GMT
He was not ad or Kat but he was still one of the best bigs of his generation
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Post by Retired on May 13, 2021 7:58:55 GMT
Voted no, imo his production didn’t live up to his ratings
Overrated
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Post by SpikeLee14 on May 13, 2021 13:45:30 GMT
I voted no. Seemed there was a 4 year stretch he was up there as a top PF in the league but his stocks weren’t fantastic for the position and then if he played any SF he only averaged 18 PPG. Only 2 POTM in his career and no titles. Guy was solid but 18-11 doesn’t scream hall of fame for me
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Post by John1974 on May 13, 2021 17:17:05 GMT
Went with yes but was on the fence a bit.
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Post by verysilentone on May 13, 2021 19:39:19 GMT
you had the best PG available at the time which one could make the argument somewhat skews the perception of everyone else on the team. You could also make the argument that him being on the max is what held you back. Not sure thats 100% the case but i dont think Giannis was dragging most teams to success on a max contract. Hes borderline for sure but i just dont think this is irl Giannis he was a pretty flawed fbb player Also the last 5 seasons of his career he was below average. Post 2026 he didnt get any awards and was just meh. Not a lot of longevity. I'm not sure if you can blame Giannis for the fact that the Pistons played Kristaps Porzingis, who averaged 10.7/10 on .394 shooting and Nick Richards, who averaged 12.2/8.7 on .410 shooting over Giannis off the bench. 109 Nick Richards C 30 6'11'' 255 A- C C B+ B- C 227 Giannis Antetokounmpo. PF 34 6'11'' 240 A- C+ C B+ B+ C 458 Kristaps Porzingis PF 33 7'3'' 240 B+ B C- A- C+ C Are we holding poor GM'ing against players now? 8.7.3 8.7.3 Do you really think I brought him in and paid him 25 and 28 million with the intention of having him come off the bench? The team sucked with him as a starter, so I brought him off the bench. I started him strategically mostly to knock people out in the playoffs in 2027 and reach the finals. He fell off enough at that point where putting up with the additional turnover a game and the lack of blocks wasn't worth it. |
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Post by verysilentone on May 13, 2021 19:53:26 GMT
FWIW, I'm voting yes. I think his numbers would look better but he did play on quite a few good teams which hurt his numbers a bit. He made the playoffs every year other than his last two. He did seem to screw Donny out of some championships, but very good player overall and probably does make it if you take away Cole Anthony, Joel Embiid, Paul George, Hayes types that took shots away from him
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Post by ucfinfan86 on May 13, 2021 20:15:19 GMT
I’ve been delaying voting because I haven’t decided yet. I do think he under performed expectations, but he did also have some real achievements. He was a flawed player that I never really targeted to acquire after year 1. I’m probably going to go yes, but still haven’t decided
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Post by Donny - Bucks on May 13, 2021 22:46:08 GMT
I'm not sure if you can blame Giannis for the fact that the Pistons played Kristaps Porzingis, who averaged 10.7/10 on .394 shooting and Nick Richards, who averaged 12.2/8.7 on .410 shooting over Giannis off the bench. 109 Nick Richards C 30 6'11'' 255 A- C C B+ B- C 227 Giannis Antetokounmpo. PF 34 6'11'' 240 A- C+ C B+ B+ C 458 Kristaps Porzingis PF 33 7'3'' 240 B+ B C- A- C+ C Are we holding poor GM'ing against players now? 8.7.3 8.7.3 Do you really think I brought him in and paid him 25 and 28 million with the intention of having him come off the bench? The team sucked with him as a starter, so I brought him off the bench. I started him strategically mostly to knock people out in the playoffs in 2027 and reach the finals. He fell off enough at that point where putting up with the additional turnover a game and the lack of blocks wasn't worth it. I'd say KP shooting sub 40% hurt your team more than Giannis's extra turnover did but that's just my opinion. 8.7.3 |
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Post by carlos on May 14, 2021 12:55:48 GMT
I went with yes but he seems like a perfect example of a borderline player for future comparisons. Seems like he could've been the 2nd best player on a championship team if things worked out differently but probably couldn't lead a team to one.
I'm disappointed that he's not being inducted as a Wizard but I guess he was pretty good on the Bucks.
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Post by ucfinfan86 on May 14, 2021 13:19:55 GMT
I guess I’ll go yes, but it’s borderline
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Post by pjclippers on May 14, 2021 19:52:38 GMT
Being listed as PF instead of SF likely stunted his career and made him a close miss for me
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Post by GoBlue44688 on May 17, 2021 19:11:48 GMT
Knicks vote no. Great for the 1st 5 years, good for 3, then a bench guy for the last 5.
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Post by Donny - Bucks on May 17, 2021 21:18:21 GMT
Gonna close this tonight. Shocked that it's even close, thought he was a sure fire yes vote considering the only thing you can really hold against him is the fact that teams benched him at the end of his career even though he very well should've played.
Anyway, get your votes in!
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