2032 NBN Hall of Fame Nominee - Giannis Antetokounmpo

[Donny - Bucks]

Giannis Sina Ugo Antetokounmpo is our next nominee for the NBN Hall of fame. Giannis had an incredibly efficient career, dominating the for a large chunk of his career before settling in as an elite 6th man. Will this be enough for him to get into the NBN Hall of Fame?

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CAREER STATS
Games: 973
MPG: 32.6
PPG: 18.1
RPG: 11.4
APG: 3.6
SPG: 1.4
BPG: 1.3
TOPG: 3.0
FG%: .453
FT%: .727
3P%: .300

Best Season (2023 Bucks)
Games: 75
MPG: 35.9
PPG: 23.7
RPG: 12.8 
APG: 4.7
SPG: 2.1
BPG: 1.4
TOPG: 3.2
FG%: .464
FT%: .715
3P%: .307

Career Highs
Points: 54
Rebounds: 26
Assists: 13
Steals: 7
Blocks: 7

Achievements
Championships: 0
Player of the Game: 156
Player of the Week: 5
Player of the Month: 2
Double Doubles: 591
Triple Doubles: 18

Awards
2019 - All-Star Game Participant
2019 - All-League Second Team
2020 - All-Star Game Participant
2020 - All-League Second Team
2021 - All-Star Game Participant
2021 - All-Star Game MVP
2021 - All-League Second Team
2022 - All-League Third Team
2023 - All-Star Game Participant
2023 - All-League Third Team
2024 - All-Star Game Participant
2026 - All-Star Game Participant



Arguments For Induction
- There's no doubting his dominance. When used correctly, Giannis was a guaranteed 20/12/4 player every single night, averaging well above that over his career before taking a ride on the bench in his final few seasons. As a five-time All-Leaguer with competition such as Anthony Davis, Zion Williamson, Sadraque Nganga, Marvin Bagley III, and many other dominant PF's, he still held his own extremely efficiently.

- Giannis is, by all accounts, what I'd say a unique, one-of-a-kind big man. He developed a good enough three pointer to where he wasn't detrimental to your team shooting the ball, hit free throws at a pretty good clip for a big, scored at a 45% or  higher clip for almost the entirety of his career, got 3+ stocks per game, passed well, and rebounded better than the majority of bigs we've seen in the league thus far.

- He's got all the individual accolades you'd want out of a player. Over 60% of his 973 games were double doubles, with 18 triple doubles along the way. He also had a ton of POTG's and some POTW/POTM awards while being a six-time All-Star Game Participant and the 2021 All-Star Game MVP. 

Arguments Against Induction
- No ring. While Giannis was a part of multiple deep runs into the playoffs on multiple teams, he never got it done. While the rest of his career was fantastic, ending it off without winning an NBN Championship is a definite negative towards voting.

- Turnover issues were fairly apparent early on in his career. Not only did he have two seasons of 4+ TOPG, he also turned the ball over 3+ times per game the following six seasons after that. While turnovers have been an issue for a lot of bigs as scoring options in this league, that's definitely not something you can turn your cheek to.

- Comparison. It's going to be extremely interesting to analyze the situation considering the bigs we've voted on so far have been Anthony Davis (one of the best players in league history thus far), Rudy Gobert (not on Giannis' level), Nikola Jokic (not on Giannis' level), and Karl-Anthony Towns (also one of the best players in league history thus far). While KAT and AD were two of the top five or so players in this league throughout their career, did Giannis do enough to get into the Hall of Fame, setting a baseline for the "great, but not one of the best ever" players?

Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully.

***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $100 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $100***

8.7.3

[yourkers15]

I said yes. Feel he had a really nice run as a top tier player at his position by making all nbn and all star games. Even in his later years he was a very good player and was apart of the bucks when they were at their best. So I think he has done enough even without having a championship.

[vanimmer]

Easy yes for'me
bucks

[Donny - Bucks]

Voted yes. I think he's head and shoulders better than Jokic and Gobert were and while he's not necessarily on the level of AD/KAT, he was a tier behind them for a lot of his career and was one of the best creation draft players in the league.

[frosty]

I hope someone makes a better argument than me but this dude seemed pretty overrated. Never the best player at his position. Never took his team to a ring. Never was even a Robin on a championship team. If this FBB player had a different name other than Giannis he would be in the hall of very good, not HoF. Look at his stock to TO ratio he was very flawed. No for me

[frosty]

If you paid this guy a max at any point in his career you were pretty much fucked. Not a HoF player for me

[Donny - Bucks]

May 12, 2021 21:43:50 GMT frosty said:

If you paid this guy a max at any point in his career you were pretty much fucked. Not a HoF player for me

8.7.3

I had him on a max deal for most of his prime and I won 60 games multiple times. Multiple deep runs into the Finals too.

[A. Silver]

I agree with Frosty. PF who turned the ball over too much and didn't play good enough defense to compare with other greats at his position. Maybe if he was a SF.

[Donny - Bucks]

May 12, 2021 21:42:48 GMT frosty said:

I hope someone makes a better argument than me but this dude seemed pretty overrated. Never the best player at his position. Never took his team to a ring. Never was even a Robin on a championship team. If this FBB player had a different name other than Giannis he would be in the hall of very good, not HoF. Look at his stock to TO ratio he was very flawed. No for me

I dunno, you and a lot of others voted yes on guys like Buddy Hield and James Harden, both of whom you can argue weren't the "best players at their position" . Harden, for example, was a 2.5 stock per game player but a 4+ TOPG player throughout his career. While he scored a lot, that was pretty much it for his career. This argument should've been used on guys like Harden if you're going to say something along these lines for a big man who was a whole lot more efficient for an all-around player at his position.

Also, let's just mention how Giannis was very likely the second or third best PF in the league for significant stretches of his career at a much more top-heavy position than the SG's coming into the league. Compare Harden to SG's of today like Baugh, Boone and he's not nearly as good in his prime, whereas Giannis compared to guys like Bagley and Nganga would be much closer and chances are, Giannis would be better.

8.7.3

[frosty]

May 12, 2021 21:47:14 GMT Donny - Bucks said:

May 12, 2021 21:43:50 GMT frosty said:

If you paid this guy a max at any point in his career you were pretty much fucked. Not a HoF player for me

8.7.3

I had him on a max deal for most of his prime and I won 60 games multiple times. Multiple deep runs into the Finals too.

you had the best PG available at the time which one could make the argument somewhat skews the perception of everyone else on the team. You could also make the argument that him being on the max is what held you back. Not sure thats 100% the case but i dont think Giannis was dragging most teams to success on a max contract. Hes borderline for sure but i just dont think this is irl Giannis he was a pretty flawed fbb player

Also the last 5 seasons of his career he was below average. Post 2026 he didnt get any awards and was just meh. Not a lot of longevity.

[frosty]

May 12, 2021 21:52:42 GMT Donny - Bucks said:

May 12, 2021 21:42:48 GMT frosty said:

I hope someone makes a better argument than me but this dude seemed pretty overrated. Never the best player at his position. Never took his team to a ring. Never was even a Robin on a championship team. If this FBB player had a different name other than Giannis he would be in the hall of very good, not HoF. Look at his stock to TO ratio he was very flawed. No for me

I dunno, you and a lot of others voted yes on guys like Buddy Hield and James Harden, both of whom you can argue weren't the "best players at their position" . Harden, for example, was a 2.5 stock per game player but a 4+ TOPG player throughout his career. While he scored a lot, that was pretty much it for his career. This argument should've been used on guys like Harden if you're going to say something along these lines for a big man who was a whole lot more efficient for an all-around player at his position.

Also, let's just mention how Giannis was very likely the second or third best PF in the league for significant stretches of his career at a much more top-heavy position than the SG's coming into the league. Compare Harden to SG's of today like Baugh, Boone and he's not nearly as good in his prime, whereas Giannis compared to guys like Bagley and Nganga would be much closer and chances are, Giannis would be better.

8.7.3

yeah i regret my buddy hield vote admittedly. Not sure what happened there tbh lol

[Donny - Bucks]

May 12, 2021 21:53:39 GMT frosty said:

May 12, 2021 21:47:14 GMT Donny - Bucks said:

8.7.3

I had him on a max deal for most of his prime and I won 60 games multiple times. Multiple deep runs into the Finals too.

you had the best PG available at the time which one could make the argument somewhat skews the perception of everyone else on the team. You could also make the argument that him being on the max is what held you back. Not sure thats 100% the case but i dont think Giannis was dragging most teams to success on a max contract. Hes borderline for sure but i just dont think this is irl Giannis he was a pretty flawed fbb player

Also the last 5 seasons of his career he was below average. Post 2026 he didnt get any awards and was just meh. Not a lot of longevity.

I'm not sure if you can blame Giannis for the fact that the Pistons played Kristaps Porzingis, who averaged 10.7/10 on .394 shooting and Nick Richards, who averaged 12.2/8.7 on .410 shooting over Giannis off the bench.

109 Nick Richards C 30 6'11'' 255 A- C C B+ B- C
227 Giannis Antetokounmpo. PF 34 6'11'' 240 A- C+ C B+ B+ C
458 Kristaps Porzingis PF 33 7'3'' 240 B+ B C- A- C+ C

Are we holding poor GM'ing against players now?

8.7.3

8.7.3

[frosty]

May 12, 2021 21:56:12 GMT Donny - Bucks said:

May 12, 2021 21:53:39 GMT frosty said:

you had the best PG available at the time which one could make the argument somewhat skews the perception of everyone else on the team. You could also make the argument that him being on the max is what held you back. Not sure thats 100% the case but i dont think Giannis was dragging most teams to success on a max contract. Hes borderline for sure but i just dont think this is irl Giannis he was a pretty flawed fbb player

Also the last 5 seasons of his career he was below average. Post 2026 he didnt get any awards and was just meh. Not a lot of longevity.

I'm not sure if you can blame Giannis for the fact that the Pistons played Kristaps Porzingis, who averaged 10.7/10 on .394 shooting and Nick Richards, who averaged 12.2/8.7 on .410 shooting over Giannis off the bench.

109 Nick Richards C 30 6'11'' 255 A- C C B+ B- C
227 Giannis Antetokounmpo. PF 34 6'11'' 240 A- C+ C B+ B+ C
458 Kristaps Porzingis PF 33 7'3'' 240 B+ B C- A- C+ C

Are we holding poor GM'ing against players now?

8.7.3

8.7.3

regardless of the circumstances the fact is post 2026 he didnt do anything of note. I dont think we should hold poor GMing against players but i dont think this is a case of that. Killian Hayes on that team? Sure he was held back. But Giannis was a role player at that point and he was borderline in his prime theres nothing about his post 2026 years thats a positive imo

[The Slough]

I voted yes, because Zion owned him Thats easily worth the best contribution I feel

[JCog72]

Voted yes, very good career and was a key part to the successful Bucks teams