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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 12, 2021 21:20:22 GMT
Nah, they go to the camp together one time per year. Entirely different situation. "Every player involved will be eligible to go to THE (one, singular) "Sun Devil Special" improvement camp. This camp (SINGULAR) can be given four times total". "Along with this, for double the cost, you can mentor camp while he is overseas and it will not count towards his camp tracking." Mentor camp is singular and "double the cost" would essentially confirm that considering the cost is talking about the one singular camp. Seems pretty ambiguous to me. But I'll let you rock. I'll just need to pay closer attention to the draft notes going forward to make sure there aren't people abusing the system. Honestly I'm close to just scrapping draft notes all together ya know, at least there's no ambiguity this year because they're all explained out for you already!
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 12, 2021 21:20:54 GMT
I think this is pretty much how the notes are: Ivan Sunera - If he goes top 5, free +5 to potential + one attribute - If he falls out of the top 5, he gets a free +1 per draft slot he falls to one attribute (no str/qui/jum/pot) Ralph Sampson - Every individual camp he's sent to, a free +2 to any attribute. Also gains free +2 if he qualifies for rookie bonus. Lewis "Black Magic" Lloyd - eligible to be mentored by PG-SF - if mentor has B+ defense, free +2 to any defensive attribute (4 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A- defense, free +4 to any defensive attribute (8 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A defense, free +6 to any defensive attribute (12 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A+ defense, free +8 to any defensive attribute (16 if mentored x2) Sarunas Marciulionis** - If he has a Lithuanian teammate, he gets a free +3 to any attribute, claimable all 6 of his overseas/rookie contract years Danny Schayes - Free +1 to any non-athletic attribute per spot he falls in the draft (max of +5 to any one attribute) Iverson Molinar - Free +3 for every playoff series won while Molinar is on the team (no athletics) Dick Miller - Can be double camped his first 2 seasons, but will not be eligible to be camped years 3/4 if you choose to double his camps Mark Filip Ivankovic** - Can be mentored by Luka Doncic with either MVP, All-League first boosts as well as any attributes of your choice in the mentor camp - If he's on your roster, you can use Zen Meditation Team Camp every year he's on his rookie deal Mike "Grasshopper" Harper - Any time his jumping is camped, he can claim +2 jumping and +1 to either o/d rebounding Derek "Rock" Smith - If he goes top 15, strength attribute gains can be doubled any time strength is camped - If top 25, 2 free weight camps in rookie year (has to be strength) Ricky Pierce. - Every time Pierce outscores Moncrief or Birdsong, he gets a free +3 to any attribute, only claimable during the year it happens Larry "Mr. Mean" Smith - Whenever Smith receives a camp involving post defense, blocking, stealing, offensive rebounding, or defensive rebounding, he'll be eligible to have gains to those attributes doubled, free of charge. josephballin11 no more worrying about ambiguity when they're all explained for you!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by josephballin11 on Dec 12, 2021 21:23:24 GMT
I think this is pretty much how the notes are: Ivan Sunera - If he goes top 5, free +5 to potential + one attribute - If he falls out of the top 5, he gets a free +1 per draft slot he falls to one attribute (no str/qui/jum/pot) Ralph Sampson - Every individual camp he's sent to, a free +2 to any attribute. Also gains free +2 if he qualifies for rookie bonus. Lewis "Black Magic" Lloyd - eligible to be mentored by PG-SF - if mentor has B+ defense, free +2 to any defensive attribute (4 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A- defense, free +4 to any defensive attribute (8 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A defense, free +6 to any defensive attribute (12 if mentored x2) - if mentor has A+ defense, free +8 to any defensive attribute (16 if mentored x2) Sarunas Marciulionis** - If he has a Lithuanian teammate, he gets a free +3 to any attribute, claimable all 6 of his overseas/rookie contract years Danny Schayes - Free +1 to any non-athletic attribute per spot he falls in the draft (max of +5 to any one attribute) Iverson Molinar - Free +3 for every playoff series won while Molinar is on the team (no athletics) Dick Miller - Can be double camped his first 2 seasons, but will not be eligible to be camped years 3/4 if you choose to double his camps Mark Filip Ivankovic** - Can be mentored by Luka Doncic with either MVP, All-League first boosts as well as any attributes of your choice in the mentor camp - If he's on your roster, you can use Zen Meditation Team Camp every year he's on his rookie deal Mike "Grasshopper" Harper - Any time his jumping is camped, he can claim +2 jumping and +1 to either o/d rebounding Derek "Rock" Smith - If he goes top 15, strength attribute gains can be doubled any time strength is camped - If top 25, 2 free weight camps in rookie year (has to be strength) Ricky Pierce. - Every time Pierce outscores Moncrief or Birdsong, he gets a free +3 to any attribute, only claimable during the year it happens Larry "Mr. Mean" Smith - Whenever Smith receives a camp involving post defense, blocking, stealing, offensive rebounding, or defensive rebounding, he'll be eligible to have gains to those attributes doubled, free of charge. josephballin11 no more worrying about ambiguity when they're all explained for you!!!!!!!!!! Only one draft late ![:(](http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/tears/t2358.gif) I would have sold my house for lever had I known I could abuse that bad boy
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 12, 2021 21:29:17 GMT
josephballin11 no more worrying about ambiguity when they're all explained for you!!!!!!!!!! Only one draft late ![:(](http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/tears/t2358.gif) I would have sold my house for lever had I known I could abuse that bad boy Why didn't you? The notes aren't "abuse", they're literally right there for you in plain sight. You get two players from the same college and they get you free boosts. Anyone could've done it. People who picked above me had the chance! He also wouldn't look nearly as good if he didn't have a +6 TC, so yeah.
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Post by carlos on Dec 12, 2021 21:36:21 GMT
I don't really have anything to add except that I really like draft notes and hope we don't get rid of them bc of a few notes getting out of hand
At the end of the day, the worst notes so far (I think) were DJ and Murphy's. Both of those players are stars but neither are "broken" so I don't really see a problem
Also, it's not hard to ask for clarification on a note when drafting so as to not misunderstand. I've done it before and have used that to make decisions
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 12, 2021 21:44:26 GMT
I don't really have anything to add except that I really like draft notes and hope we don't get rid of them bc of a few notes getting out of hand At the end of the day, the worst notes so far (I think) were DJ and Murphy's. Both of those players are stars but neither are "broken" so I don't really see a problem Also, it's not hard to ask for clarification on a note when drafting so as to not misunderstand. I've done it before and have used that to make decisions It's not hard either. I'd rather someone ask the people who wrote the notes rather than try to narrative their way into making a note OP by PM'ing Silver after interpreting every word in the note. I hate how we've taken something that's supposed to be fun and add another layer/aspect into the draft and turned it into something solely about "abusing" them to make a player overpowered. Not every draft has to be exactly how it was irl, and if Sampson's note makes him on the same level as Hakeem, so be it? Why not?
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Post by josephballin11 on Dec 12, 2021 21:47:48 GMT
I don't really have anything to add except that I really like draft notes and hope we don't get rid of them bc of a few notes getting out of hand At the end of the day, the worst notes so far (I think) were DJ and Murphy's. Both of those players are stars but neither are "broken" so I don't really see a problem Also, it's not hard to ask for clarification on a note when drafting so as to not misunderstand. I've done it before and have used that to make decisions It's not hard either. I'd rather someone ask the people who wrote the notes rather than try to narrative their way into making a note OP by PM'ing Silver after interpreting every word in the note. I hate how we've taken something that's supposed to be fun and add another layer/aspect into the draft and turned it into something solely about "abusing" them to make a player overpowered. Not every draft has to be exactly how it was irl, and if Sampson's note makes him on the same level as Hakeem, so be it? Why not? I have legit been trolling. I love the notes <3 just poking fun and post counting
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Post by Rog on Dec 12, 2021 21:48:47 GMT
Sampson absolutely should be a really nice prospect, and I made him a decent bit more raw than Hakeem with the note in mind(I wrote it). He is a Hall of Famer, was the #1 pick as Donny has already pointed out. I wanted a conversation between Hakeem and Sampson. In the end, with how i made the draft I'd still take Hakeem over Sampson. Now what Silver might've done under the hood after I handed off the file, who knows. But Sampson, Hakeem, and Nique are meant to be elite prospects and Sampson doesn't grade out like that on ratings alone IMO. Not quite anyway. We've seen dudes with his ratings set bust out before.
James Wiseman C 7'1'' 240 19 B C D+ B- B A Jalen Duren C 6'10'' 220 18 B- D+ C- B- B- A Obi Toppin PF 6'9'' 220 21 B- C+ D B- B- A Michael Foster PF 6'9'' 225 22 B- C+ C+ B- B- B Elvin Hayes PF 6'9'' 235 20 B- D+ D+ B- B A Dave Cowens C 6'9'' 230 21 B- C- C+ B- B A Kareem Abdul-Jabbar C 7'2'' 225 20 B+ C- B- B B A Spencer Haywood C 6'8'' 225 20 B- C C B- B A Bob Lanier C 6'11'' 250 23 B- C C+ B- B- A George "Big Mac" McGinnis. PF 6'8'' 235 19 B C B- C+ B A Bill Walton C 6'11'' 230 20 B- C- C+ B B A Robert Parish C 7'1'' 235 19 B- D+ D B B- B Marvin "Bad News" Barnes PF 6'8'' 210 22 B- C- C B- B- A Panagiotis Fasoulas* C 7'0'' 240 21 B- C- C+ B- B- A Kevin McHale PF 6'10'' 210 19 B C C- B- B- A Vlade Divac C 7'1'' 243 18 B- C+ B- B- B- A
I think that is every player that has come into the league with B- B- B- inside, defense, and rebounding, with the exception of the older prospects that come in through the international class. There is a WIDE range of turnouts there.
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Post by Rog on Dec 12, 2021 21:50:21 GMT
Oh McGinnis doesn't have B- defense, whoops. But B inside and rebounding, he looked really fucking nice coming in. Such a disappointment.
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Post by carlos on Dec 12, 2021 21:57:51 GMT
I don't really have anything to add except that I really like draft notes and hope we don't get rid of them bc of a few notes getting out of hand At the end of the day, the worst notes so far (I think) were DJ and Murphy's. Both of those players are stars but neither are "broken" so I don't really see a problem Also, it's not hard to ask for clarification on a note when drafting so as to not misunderstand. I've done it before and have used that to make decisions It's not hard either. I'd rather someone ask the people who wrote the notes rather than try to narrative their way into making a note OP by PM'ing Silver after interpreting every word in the note. I hate how we've taken something that's supposed to be fun and add another layer/aspect into the draft and turned it into something solely about "abusing" them to make a player overpowered. Not every draft has to be exactly how it was irl, and if Sampson's note makes him on the same level as Hakeem, so be it? Why not? Who else writes notes? I thought it was just Rog until you mentioned being involved last year
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Post by SpikeLee14 on Dec 12, 2021 22:33:33 GMT
C potential so wouldn’t say busted . My guess is whoever drafts him uses those bonuses towards potential Bro that C means absolutely nothing until you scout him. For all we know it could be a 20 or an 80. Either way, +4 every year he’s in the league is kinda sauced I’ve never once scouted a C potential on the draft and he’s been 80. Let me know when you find one of those
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Post by SpikeLee14 on Dec 12, 2021 22:36:14 GMT
Also we aren’t scraping draft notes lol that’s what makes this fun. You got a problem with the notes ask to join the draft note team and you can say this stuff when the notes are made
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Post by SpikeLee14 on Dec 12, 2021 22:37:02 GMT
It's not hard either. I'd rather someone ask the people who wrote the notes rather than try to narrative their way into making a note OP by PM'ing Silver after interpreting every word in the note. I hate how we've taken something that's supposed to be fun and add another layer/aspect into the draft and turned it into something solely about "abusing" them to make a player overpowered. Not every draft has to be exactly how it was irl, and if Sampson's note makes him on the same level as Hakeem, so be it? Why not? Who else writes notes? I thought it was just Rog until you mentioned being involved last year It’s a group message of me Silv Rog Humble Melo UCF
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 12, 2021 23:52:52 GMT
Jalen Duren C 6'10'' 220 18 B- D+ C- B- B- A Obi Toppin PF 6'9'' 220 21 B- C+ D B- B- A Michael Foster PF 6'9'' 225 22 B- C+ C+ B- B- B Elvin Hayes PF 6'9'' 235 20 B- D+ D+ B- B A Spencer Haywood C 6'8'' 225 20 B- C C B- B A Bob Lanier C 6'11'' 250 23 B- C C+ B- B- A George "Big Mac" McGinnis. PF 6'8'' 235 19 B C B- C+ B A Robert Parish C 7'1'' 235 19 B- D+ D B B- B Lots of pain on this list... Tons of pain.
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Post by Rog on Dec 12, 2021 23:57:14 GMT
Bro that C means absolutely nothing until you scout him. For all we know it could be a 20 or an 80. Either way, +4 every year he’s in the league is kinda sauced I’ve never once scouted a C potential on the draft and he’s been 80. Let me know when you find one of those You'd find one in this draft unless Silver changed it when I gave it to him lol I've said it a million times, and I'll say it now: Scouted potential means absolutely jack shit.
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