2043 Hall of Fame Nominee - Marques Haynes

[Donny - Bucks]

As one of the league's most prolific passers over the entirety of NBN 2.0's life cycle, Marques Haynes is looking to cement his greatness with an entry into the Hall of Fame. Will this be enough for him to get into the NBN Hall of Fame?

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CAREER STATS
Games: 1246
MPG: 35.2
PPG: 18.3
RPG: 4.7
APG: 9.1
SPG: 2.1
BPG: 0.2
TOPG: 1.5
FG%: .477
FT%: .864
3P%: .433

Best Season (2030 Heat - MVP)
Games: 82
MPG: 38.0
PPG: 19.8
RPG: 5.4 
APG: 10.5
SPG: 2.3
BPG: 0.3
TOPG: 1.6
FG%: .463
FT%: .867
3P%: .416

Career Highs
Points: 48
Rebounds: 17
Assists: 25
Steals: 8
Blocks: 4

Achievements
Championships: 4
Player of the Game: 306
Player of the Week: 14
Player of the Month: 3
Double Doubles: 552
Triple Doubles: 23

Awards
2027 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2027 - All-Rookie Team
2028 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2030 - Most Valuable Player
2030 - All-League Third Team
2030 - Playoff MVP
2031 - All-League Third Team
2032 - All-Star Game Participant
2032 - Playoff MVP
2034 - All-Star Game Participant
2037 - All-Star Game Participant
2039 - All-Star Game Participant
2039 - All-League Third Team

Arguments For Induction
- Marques was never going to give you elite PPG numbers but what he would do for your team is pass with the best of them with 9 years of 10+ APG's, on top of being a very quality stock defender even with less-than-appealing defensive ratings for a large part of his career. Haynes was the perfect PG for a team with scoring options around him, as he did a great job finding the open man for the easy bucket for the entirety of his career.

- He was a super efficient offensive player when he was shooting the ball (usually about 15 times a game, which is super low) and was an elite free throw shooter for large potions of his career. He also knocked down threes pretty well and was able to contribute in other ways, like not turning the ball over.

- Former MVP with 2 Playoff MVP's, along with being a 4x NBN Champion, 3x All-League Third Teamer, and a 4x All-Star. The awards were a little lighter than expected outside of the MVP but the titles should help him out a lot as he was a high-level contributor in quite a few key situations.

Arguments Against Induction
- His best trait was his passing ability, which I've been told doesn't matter, so what else does he have? I mean, you want to look at the stats... 18.3/9.1/4.7/2.3 doesn't sound like a Hall of Fame level PG to me if you can't factor in his passing ability considering it doesn't matter.

- Very light on the awards. Only three All-League teams in which he never got over Third Team in and, outside of an MVP in which he didn't even muster up 20 PPG and a couple titles, he didn't really have much of a long-term stay as an elite contributor via FBB.

- Realistically, how much do titles matter compared to statistic output? Lamelo Ball was denied entry as a career 22.5/5.7/7.5/1.7 player, Jamal Murray (3 titles, Playoff MVP) was denied entry as a career 22/5/7.8/1.8 player. Marques was a different type of player who wasn't going to score as much as most other high-level PG's but, as a pass-first PG, excelled in the spots that they struggled in. Was his ability to make plays and create open shots for his teammates enough?

Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully.

***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $100 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $100***

[Donny - Bucks]

"Assists do not make better percentages in FBB dude. Passing means virtually nothing in FBB." - Rog

If the passing means nothing and the assists don't do anything to help the team, this guy was as much of a passenger as Cedric Maxwell has been on his title victories. Bad argument!

[ucfinfan86]

My baby!

He had the fastest 3pt progression I ever seen. I believe he was in the 50s pre draft and was a 97 after like 2 or 3 TCs.

He was the perfect PG for what I wanted. Super efficient, deadly 3pt shooter and limited TOs. He allowed guys like Dieng, Baugh, Murray, KAJ, etc to shine.

[pjclippers]

Close but barely going to lean yes just because of the 4 titles - PPG is fairly low for a PG and while he shot solid percentages he didn't really add much offensively. However, he didn't turn the ball over and led his teams to 4 titles so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[josephballin11]

Yes, easy. He was spectacular for me towards the end of his career. Shame Sikma and Schayes got hurt in the first round and he retired on that note

Feel my team would be gross this season if he stuck around

[cop5414]

Yep.

[frosty]

Yes. Light on awards but the ones he does have are really impressive. Always a winner

[yourkers15]

One of the best pgs in league history. Easy yes.

[Donny - Bucks]

Obvious yes.

[John1974]

Yes

[Antonius Block]

This is close. Game favors assists for awards. Without the MVP I would vote no but I'll go yes

[A. Silver]

Yes he did everything you need a PG to do. The championships speak for themselves.

[Michael]

Yes. Woulda loved to work with him as my starting PG, seemed like a very fun player for an outside offense. Also first player I've seen with B- or below defense to have such great success.

[carmelo115]

Yes but damn he shouldn’t have turned out as elite as he was

[verysilentone]

Easy yes. Worst trade I've ever made and one of the best players I've ever picked