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Post by josephballin11 on Oct 27, 2022 14:39:54 GMT
Biggest takeaways of this: 1. Sounds like the FBB switch needs to be flipped to CPU instead of having interim. 2. It isn’t a coincidence that I’m able to draft quality players late in the draft! Man, what the fuck. This is literally the first issue with interims making a trade we've had. Just because some think you didn't operate in the way an interim should, doesn't mean the whole system needs scrapped. Jesus Christ you sound like a fucking toddler who didn't get a toy at Walmart. I'm a big fan of yours in this league and your second point is right, for you.. You haven't even remotely tried to respond to my criticisms of this deal, which are coming from a place as for whats best for the league instead are having a bitchfest with Donny over value. Is it because you know I'm right? I reiterate what I've said a couple of times here, not everyone operates the way you do. Whether that is because of a lack of cash/activity or because they don't think your way of doing things is fun, not everyone can or wants to do what you do. You are excellent at it and you bring a different angle to the league that is fun to watch. Doesn't change what I've said. is Davis an elite prospect, yes or no? |
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Post by josephballin11 on Oct 27, 2022 14:41:05 GMT
Man, what the fuck. This is literally the first issue with interims making a trade we've had. Just because some think you didn't operate in the way an interim should, doesn't mean the whole system needs scrapped. Jesus Christ you sound like a fucking toddler who didn't get a toy at Walmart. I'm a big fan of yours in this league and your second point is right, for you.. You haven't even remotely tried to respond to my criticisms of this deal, which are coming from a place as for whats best for the league instead are having a bitchfest with Donny over value. Is it because you know I'm right? I reiterate what I've said a couple of times here, not everyone operates the way you do. Whether that is because of a lack of cash/activity or because they don't think your way of doing things is fun, not everyone can or wants to do what you do. You are excellent at it and you bring a different angle to the league that is fun to watch. Doesn't change what I've said. is Davis an elite prospect, yes or no? Also have you scouted him? |
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 14:41:53 GMT
Man, what the fuck. This is literally the first issue with interims making a trade we've had. Just because some think you didn't operate in the way an interim should, doesn't mean the whole system needs scrapped. Jesus Christ you sound like a fucking toddler who didn't get a toy at Walmart. I'm a big fan of yours in this league and your second point is right, for you.. You haven't even remotely tried to respond to my criticisms of this deal, which are coming from a place as for whats best for the league instead are having a bitchfest with Donny over value. Is it because you know I'm right? I reiterate what I've said a couple of times here, not everyone operates the way you do. Whether that is because of a lack of cash/activity or because they don't think your way of doing things is fun, not everyone can or wants to do what you do. You are excellent at it and you bring a different angle to the league that is fun to watch. Doesn't change what I've said. is Davis an elite prospect, yes or no? No, absolutely not. Objectively he was 1) Picked in the second half of the first round. 2) Is a flawed prospect and 3) No one besides those who scout know his true potential. Derrick Thomas came into the draft with the highest potential, I got him at pick 18 because hes flawed. |
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Post by josephballin11 on Oct 27, 2022 14:43:38 GMT
is Davis an elite prospect, yes or no? No, absolutely not. Objectively he was 1) Picked in the second half of the first round. 2) Is a flawed prospect and 3) No one besides those who scout know his true potential. Derrick Thomas came into the draft with the highest potential, I got him at pick 18 because hes flawed. no wonder you thinks it’s a shitty trade. Can’t fault you there! |
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Post by hunt54 on Oct 27, 2022 14:46:09 GMT
Biggest takeaways of this: 1. Sounds like the FBB switch needs to be flipped to CPU instead of having interim. 2. It isn’t a coincidence that I’m able to draft quality players late in the draft! Man, what the fuck. This is literally the first issue with interims making a trade we've had. Just because some think you didn't operate in the way an interim should, doesn't mean the whole system needs scrapped. Jesus Christ you sound like a fucking toddler who didn't get a toy at Walmart. I'm a big fan of yours in this league and your second point is right, for you.. You haven't even remotely tried to respond to my criticisms of this deal, which are coming from a place as for whats best for the league instead are having a bitchfest with Donny over value. Is it because you know I'm right? I reiterate what I've said a couple of times here, not everyone operates the way you do. Whether that is because of a lack of cash/activity or because they don't think your way of doing things is fun, not everyone can or wants to do what you do. You are excellent at it and you bring a different angle to the league that is fun to watch. Doesn't change what I've said. Im just glad josephs taking all the heat  I think the biggest mistake is that we didn't block morrow. (also we had this trade pegged for post day 60 initially in case an interim takes over FWIW and to handle some other things.) |
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 14:46:24 GMT
Just flat out ignoring my entire point. Lmfao.
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 14:47:25 GMT
Man, what the fuck. This is literally the first issue with interims making a trade we've had. Just because some think you didn't operate in the way an interim should, doesn't mean the whole system needs scrapped. Jesus Christ you sound like a fucking toddler who didn't get a toy at Walmart. I'm a big fan of yours in this league and your second point is right, for you.. You haven't even remotely tried to respond to my criticisms of this deal, which are coming from a place as for whats best for the league instead are having a bitchfest with Donny over value. Is it because you know I'm right? I reiterate what I've said a couple of times here, not everyone operates the way you do. Whether that is because of a lack of cash/activity or because they don't think your way of doing things is fun, not everyone can or wants to do what you do. You are excellent at it and you bring a different angle to the league that is fun to watch. Doesn't change what I've said. Im just glad josephs taking all the heat I think the biggest mistake is that we didn't block morrow. (also we had this trade pegged for post day 60 initially in case an interim takes over FWIW and to handle some other things.) For me its because it screams "Joseph trade". |
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Post by josephballin11 on Oct 27, 2022 14:48:40 GMT
Just flat out ignoring my entire point. Lmfao. you tried to tie a players value to where they were drafted, so it kinda invalidates anything you say. He just had a +5 TC and appears to be the best big man in this draft outside of Zo. While having the best true potential out of any of those guys |
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Post by carlos on Oct 27, 2022 14:49:26 GMT
I had talks with HF, UCF, you & hunt around Davis for their star players. If we can't trust the GMs with half the league's titles to interim, either Donny needs to run every team or we just leave them empty We've now had 18 pages of bullshit invalidate talks I spent all offseason having while shitting on the value of my best asset. I held out on other deals to do a trade that most of the top gms didn't have a problem with You also have refused to acknowledge my point and again miss the point why Silver, myself, PJ and I believe Spike(the commish and 3 members of the committee) have issue with this deal. If UC or HF or Hunt make this deal thats fine because they've been here for the long haul, will be here for the long haul and know the systems in place well enough to maximize Davis as an asset. He needs a GM like that, not a potentially new GM who doesn't know how we operate, may not have the time to maximize the value of Davis and his note, or flat out might not like building in that manner. Every interim has made deals based on whats best for the team, league, and the future GM rather than how they like to build. Joseph made this deal because of his own way of operating and thats fine for him and thats fine for the guys you mentioned but not necessarily for the Blazers as a franchise or for a new GM. Like I said it might be for a guy like ckriz who knows what he is doing, has been here before, and might decide this deal is what he likes. But we have to operate with these open teams as if we're going to get a new to the league GM not a guy like ckriz. I would've done this trade if I was the Blazers. I compared Davis's scouts to Malone's rookie scout and they're pretty similar. I'd rather start with a potential star and a good SF than a star SF and an average team. I started with James Wiseman and Caleb Love and got rid of both to tear the team down for much less. A new GM wants a young star and a fresh start, not a team maxed out at a 2nd round exit |
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Post by dash on Oct 27, 2022 14:53:14 GMT
Eh, Spike traded the 8th pick and a Blazer first to make a run at (at best) the 8th seed. One of the new guys passed on that situation after picking them.
I found this just as egregious. Only this one's getting attention because Donny decided. I can at least understand this one because 100 potential is 100 potential, and I once couldn't get offers for prime Sabonis.
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 14:56:10 GMT
Just flat out ignoring my entire point. Lmfao. you tried to tie a players value to where they were drafted, so it kinda invalidates anything you say. He just had a +5 TC and appears to be the best big man in this draft outside of Zo. While having the best true potential out of any of those guys Lmfao, you and Donny are basically the same dudes with differing opinions. "Invalidates anything you say" is such a donny thing to say. I don't know more than you or anyone here. But I have been doing this for literally well over a decade with multiple titles in almost every league I've been in. I know what I"m talking about. You know what you are talking about. Donny knows what he is talking about. We're all great at this! Stop being an ass and acting like you know more than everyone. You and I almost always see eye to eye when it comes to FBB stuff. Don't invalidate my opinion because its not the same as yours. Am I a better GM than you? No. I would say we're fairly close and you probably have the edge due to my desire to blow it up and build differently making my long term success less than yours. In fact, I FUCKING MADE ANTONIO DAVIS. Is he a good prospect? Yes. But he seriously flawed and thats a damn fact. Is it possible maybe even probable that he turns out well? Hell yes. Doesn't make him an elite prospect. Once again I bring up David Robinson, who if I remember correct(and my memory is shit) was given mid 90s potential and far better ratings than Davis has right now and he shit the fucking bed. Solid player, but potential doesn't carry a dude to stardom automatically. And if the next GM doesn't develop Davis in the way you would, it makes this trade attrocious. However, as I've stated several fucking times my main objection has nothing to do with value. As said if ckriz wants to do this trade and we still vote on it as a committee, i'll vote to push it through. I've stated several times what my issue is, and you go back to value. I've said what i think, you can refer to those posts since you clearly haven't read them. |
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 14:59:01 GMT
You also have refused to acknowledge my point and again miss the point why Silver, myself, PJ and I believe Spike(the commish and 3 members of the committee) have issue with this deal. If UC or HF or Hunt make this deal thats fine because they've been here for the long haul, will be here for the long haul and know the systems in place well enough to maximize Davis as an asset. He needs a GM like that, not a potentially new GM who doesn't know how we operate, may not have the time to maximize the value of Davis and his note, or flat out might not like building in that manner. Every interim has made deals based on whats best for the team, league, and the future GM rather than how they like to build. Joseph made this deal because of his own way of operating and thats fine for him and thats fine for the guys you mentioned but not necessarily for the Blazers as a franchise or for a new GM. Like I said it might be for a guy like ckriz who knows what he is doing, has been here before, and might decide this deal is what he likes. But we have to operate with these open teams as if we're going to get a new to the league GM not a guy like ckriz. I would've done this trade if I was the Blazers. I compared Davis's scouts to Malone's rookie scout and they're pretty similar. I'd rather start with a potential star and a good SF than a star SF and an average team. I started with James Wiseman and Caleb Love and got rid of both to tear the team down for much less. A new GM wants a young star and a fresh start, not a team maxed out at a 2nd round exit A new GM could get more back for Morrow than Davis though. If they want to have a fresh start, they would go after their picks and the best SF in the league is a good place to start with that. There is zero guarantee Davis is a young star. And if the GM wasn't a league vet like ckriz I'd say the likelihood is he turns into a starter but not quite a star. And hes a big, lessening his iimpact without even knowing where he goes. |
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Post by josephballin11 on Oct 27, 2022 15:02:05 GMT
you tried to tie a players value to where they were drafted, so it kinda invalidates anything you say. He just had a +5 TC and appears to be the best big man in this draft outside of Zo. While having the best true potential out of any of those guys Lmfao, you and Donny are basically the same dudes with differing opinions. "Invalidates anything you say" is such a donny thing to say. I don't know more than you or anyone here. But I have been doing this for literally well over a decade with multiple titles in almost every league I've been in. I know what I"m talking about. You know what you are talking about. Donny knows what he is talking about. We're all great at this! Stop being an ass and acting like you know more than everyone. You and I almost always see eye to eye when it comes to FBB stuff. Don't invalidate my opinion because its not the same as yours. Am I a better GM than you? No. I would say we're fairly close and you probably have the edge due to my desire to blow it up and build differently making my long term success less than yours. In fact, I FUCKING MADE ANTONIO DAVIS. Is he a good prospect? Yes. But he seriously flawed and thats a damn fact. Is it possible maybe even probable that he turns out well? Hell yes. Doesn't make him an elite prospect. Once again I bring up David Robinson, who if I remember correct(and my memory is shit) was given mid 90s potential and far better ratings than Davis has right now and he shit the fucking bed. Solid player, but potential doesn't carry a dude to stardom automatically. And if the next GM doesn't develop Davis in the way you would, it makes this trade attrocious. However, as I've stated several fucking times my main objection has nothing to do with value. As said if ckriz wants to do this trade and we still vote on it as a committee, i'll vote to push it through. I've stated several times what my issue is, and you go back to value. I've said what i think, you can refer to those posts since you clearly haven't read them. Answer the question tho, have you scouted him and actually know his ratings as of right now? Or are you speaking off of how you created him? Also, Robinson is putting up 15 and 15.5 right now, so if that’s shitting the bed I don’t really know what to tell you. |
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Post by Rog on Oct 27, 2022 15:07:17 GMT
Lmfao, you and Donny are basically the same dudes with differing opinions. "Invalidates anything you say" is such a donny thing to say. I don't know more than you or anyone here. But I have been doing this for literally well over a decade with multiple titles in almost every league I've been in. I know what I"m talking about. You know what you are talking about. Donny knows what he is talking about. We're all great at this! Stop being an ass and acting like you know more than everyone. You and I almost always see eye to eye when it comes to FBB stuff. Don't invalidate my opinion because its not the same as yours. Am I a better GM than you? No. I would say we're fairly close and you probably have the edge due to my desire to blow it up and build differently making my long term success less than yours. In fact, I FUCKING MADE ANTONIO DAVIS. Is he a good prospect? Yes. But he seriously flawed and thats a damn fact. Is it possible maybe even probable that he turns out well? Hell yes. Doesn't make him an elite prospect. Once again I bring up David Robinson, who if I remember correct(and my memory is shit) was given mid 90s potential and far better ratings than Davis has right now and he shit the fucking bed. Solid player, but potential doesn't carry a dude to stardom automatically. And if the next GM doesn't develop Davis in the way you would, it makes this trade attrocious. However, as I've stated several fucking times my main objection has nothing to do with value. As said if ckriz wants to do this trade and we still vote on it as a committee, i'll vote to push it through. I've stated several times what my issue is, and you go back to value. I've said what i think, you can refer to those posts since you clearly haven't read them. Answer the question tho, have you scouted him and actually know his ratings as of right now? Or are you speaking off of how you created him? Also, Robinson is putting up 15 and 15.5 right now, so if that’s shitting the bed I don’t really know what to tell you. Shit the bed is the wrong word. His offense and shotblocking hasn't developed and that limits his upside a bit. Though I somewhat forgot he still has 2 years of camping remaining since he spent the time away. David Robinson is not a good example, I'll admit. I haven't scouted, no I'll admit. |
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Post by carlos on Oct 27, 2022 15:08:04 GMT
I would've done this trade if I was the Blazers. I compared Davis's scouts to Malone's rookie scout and they're pretty similar. I'd rather start with a potential star and a good SF than a star SF and an average team. I started with James Wiseman and Caleb Love and got rid of both to tear the team down for much less. A new GM wants a young star and a fresh start, not a team maxed out at a 2nd round exit A new GM could get more back for Morrow than Davis though. If they want to have a fresh start, they would go after their picks and the best SF in the league is a good place to start with that. There is zero guarantee Davis is a young star. And if the GM wasn't a league vet like ckriz I'd say the likelihood is he turns into a starter but not quite a star. And hes a big, lessening his iimpact without even knowing where he goes. I've already said I think the value works. You asked what a new GM wants and I told you I'd prefer a young player to build around than a team that might make the 2nd round. Like dash mentioned, the most recent Cavs GM gutted a solid playoff team for young assets. The interims were doing what they felt was best for the team despite it hurting their actual teams. "You're free to go trade this player Donny has spent 20 pages talking shit about and saying is awful to someone else" doesn't really work |
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