2010 HOF Nominee: Anffernee Hardaway

[Rog]

The 31st nominee of the NBN Hall of Fame, Anfernee Hardaway was an enigmatic force. On one hand he was an absolute monster on the defensive end who did things well in other facets like passing and rebounding. On another he was a below average offensive player. Does this all combine to create a legend, or someone not quite great enough to be a Hall of Famer? Lets take a look. 


Career Stats
37 MPG, 17.5 PPG, 7.6 APG, 6 RPG, 2.4 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 2.6 TOPG on 43.3% fro the field, 79.7% from the line, and 35.7% from 3.


Best Season
Heat(2003) - 22.1 PPG, 9.4 APG, 5.9 RPG, 3.1 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 2.9 TOPG on 44.6% from the field, 76.2% from the line, and 39.7% from 3.


Career Highs
Points: 43
Rebounds: 18
Assists: 28
Steals: 9
Blocks: 3


Achievements
Championships: 1
Player of the Game: 140
Player of the Week: 0
Player of the Month: 0
Double Doubles: 257
Triple Doubles: 24


Career Awards
2001 - All-Defensive Team
2002 - All-Defensive Second Team
2004 - All-Defensive Second Team




Arguments For Induction
- Penny Hardaway was named to two All-Defensive Second Teams and an All-Defensive First team. 

- Hardaway was one of the most destructive defenders in league history, despite the last season or two not playing a ton, Hardaway still averaged 2.4 steals a game. He holds the season record with Kobe Bryant for most steals per game in a season. In his five year peak he never dipped below 2.7 steals a game. He is now 12th all time in steals for his career, a number I would bet was quite a bit higher when he retired. There is no denying how great he was defensively. 

- Anfernee was also a good passer. His career number may not look amazing, but in that five year prime he averaged over 8.9 assists every season. While in his prime Penny was a fantastic passer before he was forced to shooting guard. He is now 15th all time in assists.

- Probably his best quality but not his best "case quality", Hardaway was a fantastic rebounder, especially for a point guard. He averaged 6 a game, which is a great number for a point guard. He also had 24 triple doubles, proving his versatility. 

- Overall, Penny was a versatile player who did a number of things very well, and really wasn't a negative anywhere on the court. He did everything at least adequately. 


Arguments Against Induction
- Do I even have to fucking say it? NOT ENOUGH AWARDS. 

- Jumping off that as well, he only has a total of three defensive nominations. If he was such a beast defender, why didn't he have more than that? That should set off a few red flags for his defensive prowess. 

- He just wasn't a good scorer man. He only averaged 17.5 PPG for his career and only averaged over 20 a game once. He also was just not very efficient shooting the ball. He only shot 45% or higher twice in his career and never shot a very good 3 point percentage. While not being a negative on that end of the court, he just wasn't a positive. He even was a bit turnover prone at times. 

- What is his case? He doesn't have an elite stat, he doesn't have enough awards, he doesn't have a lot of titles, where does he jump off from? In fact, his only title came as a small contributor on a Celtics title team. Honestly he just wasn't a championship level point guard, and that is the ultimate goal so why would he be a Hall of Famer? 



Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully!











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[Rog]

Penny Hardaway's Player Page

[rr1582]

Yeah, not enough meat on that resume. It is a no for me.

[Rog]

Voted no here too, just thought his case was a little interesting. Hes very borderline on whether or not he should get a case, but eh thought I should write it up. SOlid player, just not elite.

[Rog]

nfields21 interested in your yes vote and the reasoning?

[The Dark Ages]

Mediocre...

[vanimmer]

average

[lynchcats]

If Iverson isn't a Hall of Famer, Penny should only be getting in with either a ticket or a job as a janitor or curator. NO.

[JCog72]

Didn't do enough to be HOF worthy

[nfields21]

Jun 12, 2016 6:48:07 GMT Rog said:

nfields21 interested in your yes vote and the reasoning?

Yes I voted that Penny should be a HoF inductee.
 Not sure why I have to explain my vote or personal reasonings, but sure, why not. Here we go.

 There was a time very early on in the league where the former GM of the heat went MIA on his team when they ran into some salary cap problems. I stepped in and ran the team for about a season and a half until naterade came in and got the team back on track permantly. While I had control of the team I saw what Hardaway was able to do to opposing PGs. And I continued to follow his progress when he went back to the Clippers.
 
 He was very good PG who for a good part of his career played SG.
In comparison to Steve Nash(who we all know is my Favorite NBN player EVER) the numbers line up comparably. Hardaway had 257 double doubles in 784 career games (32%) Nash had 303 in 907 games (33%). Hardaway was PotG 140 times (17% of career games) and Nash had 230 (25%)
Getting into some more comparative numbers, Hardaway had a slash line of 43/77/35 and Nash had 47/89/43 Hardaway 6 rebounds, 2.4 steals,2.6 turns and 7.6 assists per game. Nash 3.7 rebounds,1.6 steals,2.3 turns 9.0 assists.
Please keep in mind that Hardaway spend more than half of his career playing SG.

 The fact that their numbers are so similar would lend me to believe that this is kind of similar to the current debate between Pollard and Big Dog Robinson one was dominant offensively, one was pretty amazing on defense,  how does one make the determination which one is and isn't worthy?

  Once again just my opinion, but yes I feel that Hardaway is HOF worthy

[naterade]

I'm voting yes (probably biased) but he wa a huge part of me turning this team around from borderline playoff team to a contender. He was definitely an elite defender and playmaker, while putting up decent scoring numbers for being a 2nd or 3rd option. He also wreaked havoc on Steve Francis in the playoffs vs the Hornets every year and kept me in the series every year against better teams with elite PG play. Overall, I feel like he was surrounded by guys who loved to shoot, which probably limited his scoring numbers and he had some consistent injury problems, which in FBB kill the chances of post season awards.

[verysilentone]

No for me. Just not enough there to warrant it, in my opinion.

[Rog]

Jun 12, 2016 15:06:22 GMT nfields21 said:

Jun 12, 2016 6:48:07 GMT Rog said:

nfields21 interested in your yes vote and the reasoning?

Yes I voted that Penny should be a HoF inductee.
 Not sure why I have to explain my vote or personal reasonings, but sure, why not. Here we go.

 There was a time very early on in the league where the former GM of the heat went MIA on his team when they ran into some salary cap problems. I stepped in and ran the team for about a season and a half until naterade came in and got the team back on track permantly. While I had control of the team I saw what Hardaway was able to do to opposing PGs. And I continued to follow his progress when he went back to the Clippers.
 
 He was very good PG who for a good part of his career played SG.
In comparison to Steve Nash(who we all know is my Favorite NBN player EVER) the numbers line up comparably. Hardaway had 257 double doubles in 784 career games (32%) Nash had 303 in 907 games (33%). Hardaway was PotG 140 times (17% of career games) and Nash had 230 (25%)
Getting into some more comparative numbers, Hardaway had a slash line of 43/77/35 and Nash had 47/89/43 Hardaway 6 rebounds, 2.4 steals,2.6 turns and 7.6 assists per game. Nash 3.7 rebounds,1.6 steals,2.3 turns 9.0 assists.
Please keep in mind that Hardaway spend more than half of his career playing SG.

 The fact that their numbers are so similar would lend me to believe that this is kind of similar to the current debate between Pollard and Big Dog Robinson one was dominant offensively, one was pretty amazing on defense,  how does one make the determination which one is and isn't worthy?

  Once again just my opinion, but yes I feel that Hardaway is HOF worthy

You don't have to do anything I was just trying to drum up discussion

[don1955]

nice player but gonna go with no

[buckeyeballa10]

Yeah a great defender here but not the all around player that is deserving of the hall of fame. Only awards he had were defensive in nature. Not worthy of the HOF here