2013 HOF Nominee: Shawn Marion

[Rog]

The 37th nominee of the NBN Hall of Fame is Shawn Marion, one of the best two way players in NBN History. He seems like a pretty solid lock to get in, but was he good enough offensively to be known as a legend. 


Career Stats
34.9 MPG, 18.6 PPG, 8.9 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1.1 SPG, 1.2 BPG, 1.3 TOPG on 44.7% from the field, 86.9% from the line, and 39.3% from 3

Best Season
23.3 PPG, 10.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 1.3 TOPG on 44.5% from the field, 89.2% from the line, and 36.4% from 3


Career Highs
Points: 49
Rebounds: 23
Assists: 8
Steals: 5
Blocks: 6


Achievements
Championships: 0
Player of the Game: 122
Player of the Week: 2
Player of the Month: 0
Double Doubles: 440
Triple Doubles: 0


Awards
2000 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2000 - All-Star Game Participant
2000 - All-League Third Team
2000 - All-Defensive Team
2001 - All-League Third Team
2002 - All-Star Game Participant
2003 - All-Defensive Second Team
2004 - All-Star Game Participant
2004 - All-League First Team
2004 - All-Defensive Second Team
2005 - All-Star Game Participant
2005 - All-League First Team
2006 - All-Star Game Participant
2006 - All-League Second Team
2006 - All-Defensive Second Team
2007 - All-League Third Team
2008 - All-League Third Team




Arguments For Induction
- Played in five All-Star games, was named to four All-League third teams, one All-League second team, and two All-League First Teams. He was also named to three All-Defensive Second teams and an All-Defensive first team. For half of his years in the league, Marion was a top 3 player at his position despite not being a truly prolific scorer or passer, shows how good he was everywhere else. 

- One of the best defensive players in league history. Its tough to consistently get all-defensive nominations in FBB at small forward, a lot of the time it goes to someone different most years. Marion had four in his career and probably deserves more. He averaged 2.3 stocks a game for his career and in his prime did closer to 3 a game. He carried at least an A defensive rating for the majority of his career. Fantastic defender. 

- Marion was one of the best rebounding small forwards of all time, seriously almost no one is better. He averaged 8.9 for his career but was consistently over 9.5 for his prime. In fact he was so good at rebounding, a small forward is 21st in rebounds. Fantastic. 

- While not a superstar offensivley, Marion was surprisingly effective at putting the ball in the hoop. He only averaged 18.9 for his career, but was always over 22-23 points a game for his prime. Solid volume number. Not just volume either he was effective at scoring too. He had a 44.7/86.9/39.3 slash line but that was brought down towards the end, his prime line was closer to 46/89/40. 

- While not a crazy good passer, Marion did well there, averaging close to 3 a game in his prime. 

- Also stupid proficient with the ball only averaging 1.3 turnovers a game for his career. You had a guy who scored, rebounded, passed decently, shot well, was an elite defender, all while not being turnover prone. You seriously can't beat that. The guy was a stud, while not a "take over the game and win it on my own" stud, he was a guy you didn't want to face in the playoffs because he would flat out take over the game in all facets. Absolutely a hall of famer. 


Arguments Against Induction
- There isn't much here, one of them is a slight lack of awards. Its hard to argue he was a star, but only 7 of his 15 seasons he was a top 3 player? Tough to say he was a true legend. 

- Really wasn't an amazing scorer, I mean he could score but wasn't elite in it in any real way. I just don't know if one facet of his game isn't elite, that he can be a Hall of Famer. 

- The biggest issue is the fact that he never won a title. He played on some good teams too, did he cause his teams to not advance? Like 2004 when the Pacers won 60 games and lost in the first round, do legends do that? 

- Hung around WAY too long collecting pay checks that he really didn't deserve. I mean great player, but he had three years, four really, at a true shell of his self. I mean and in the end, was Marion truly a "I do not want to want to face this guy in the playoffs because he'll destroy me" or a "man this guy is annoying" type of way? You pick.



Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully!













***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $25 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $25***

[lynchcats]

The first half of his career you would say yes he's a Hall of Famer. His career numbers are skewed by the fact he spent the last three years of his career on the bench, otherwise he'd be a 20+ PPG scorer. He did go to the Finals in three straight years with the Warriors, but he ran into three buzzsaws in the Sixers (with HOF Stephon Marbury and future HOF Vince Carter) and two years against the Nets (with future HOF Josh Childress). I don't think you can fault Marion for that.

On the whole, I think Shawn Marion did enough. I'm voting yes.

[Rog]

Jul 4, 2016 8:22:20 GMT lynchcats said:

The first half of his career you would say yes he's a Hall of Famer. His career numbers are skewed by the fact he spent the last three years of his career on the bench, otherwise he'd be a 20+ PPG scorer. He did go to the Finals in three straight years with the Warriors, but he ran into three buzzsaws in the Sixers (with HOF Stephon Marbury and future HOF Vince Carter) and two years against the Nets (with future HOF Josh Childress). I don't think you can fault Marion for that.

On the whole, I think Shawn Marion did enough. I'm voting yes.

Don't forget the 76ers also had Peja

[Rog]

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[verysilentone]

I'll go with yes for what lynchcats said, his stats would probably be much better but he decided to stick around too long. Aside from that, his numbers may also be hurt by playing on such strong teams such as the Warriors.

[JCog72]

Yes, he was a top player in his prime and deserves a spot in the Hall

[yellowjacket2]

Good %'s across the board. Had to be one of the best 2 way players at the wing position in league history. I'll vote yes to the matrix

[A. Silver]

Easy yes for me. Not only was he one of the best scorers at SF, but he was also one of the best rebounders and defenders. His scoring numbers dipped a bit when he was surrounded by other elite scoring options, but he still contributed in a number of different ways including keeping his turnovers low, delivering almost 3 stocks per game, and being almost automatic at the FT line in his prime. It's worth noting that he did disappear in the playoffs sometimes, and could have been a major reason the Warriors never won it all, but his overall body of work makes him an easy hall of famer.

[zheld32]

Basically 9 years of over 20ppg with one of the best defenders and can play 2-3 positions thats a yes for me

[The Dark Ages]

Yes, but only by a little bit...

[yourkers15]

For me I was back and forth on a yes or no. Marion was really good but I never saw him as great. His awards to me are there because of how weak the position was. Once the position for better he stopped winning awards. But with that said he was so good at everything that it makes him a great player and hall worthy.

[vanimmer]

Hmmm
Dunno
Marion is one of my favourite FBB players but im finding his output pretty low, expected more stocks
But it seems hes vored in anyways socjust cause i love him ill give him the thumbs. Up

[naterade]

He gets the yes, simple for how dominant the regular season Warriors were. Every time I played them, Marion would have my starting SF put up the worse game of their careers every single time... One of the great perimeter defenders of our league life span, who was also a lm all star level scorer and proven winner in the regular season. Shame he couldn't get a title though.

[buckeyeballa10]

Yes - Marion was one of the best perimeter defenders and rebounders in the league. Consistently averaged over 20 ppg as noted above, this is a yes from me.

[Rog]

Jul 6, 2016 1:07:23 GMT A. Silver said:

Easy yes for me. Not only was he one of the best scorers at SF, but he was also one of the best rebounders and defenders. His scoring numbers dipped a bit when he was surrounded by other elite scoring options, but he still contributed in a number of different ways including keeping his turnovers low, delivering almost 3 stocks per game, and being almost automatic at the FT line in his prime. It's worth noting that he did disappear in the playoffs sometimes, and could have been a major reason the Warriors never won it all, but his overall body of work makes him an easy hall of famer.

Claim the extra $25 for best contribution and the $100 for his induction as a Warrior. 

Shawn Marion has been inducted into the NBN Hall of Fame