2013 HOF Nominee: Dirk Nowitzki

[Rog]

The 38th nominee for the NBN Hall of Fame was one of the greatest scorers in league history. Dirk could score from anywhere on the court and will be known as one of the leagues elite scorer. Was he more than that? Did he do enough besides score to be remembered as a legend? Lets take a look. 


Career Stats
33.6 MPG, 26.5 PPG, 10.5 RPG, 1.8 APG, 1.5 BPG, 1 SPG, 1.3 TOPG on 46% from the field, 81.6% from the line, and 44.4% from 3

Best Season
Wizards(2007) - 31.2 PPG, 12 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.7 BPG, 1.5 TOPG on 49.5% from the field, 85.7% from the line, and 49.8% from 3




Career Highs    
Points: 54
Rebounds: 25
Assists: 8
Steals: 7
Blocks: 9


Achievements
Championships: 1
Player of the Game: 206
Player of the Week: 3
Player of the Month: 1
Double Doubles: 650
Triple Doubles: 0

Accolades
2001 - All-League Third Team
2002 - All-Star Game Participant
2002 - All-League Third Team
2004 - All-Star Game Participant
2004 - All-League Second Team
2005 - All-Star Game Participant
2005 - All-League Second Team
2006 - All-Star Game Participant
2006 - All-League First Team
2008 - All-Star Game Participant
2008 - All-Star Game MVP
2008 - All-League First Team
2010 - All-Star Game Participant
2010 - All-League Second Team
2011 - All-League Third Team



Arguments For Induction
- Played in seven All-Star games winning an MVP in one of those games. He was also named to three All-League Third, three Second, and two first teams in his career. He also won 3 player of the weeks and a player of the month, which is incredibly impressive for a big in FBB. 

- Might just be the best overall scorer in league history. Others have done it with better volume but has anyone done it with better efficiency? Dirk scored 26 points a game and shot 46% from the field for his career, even more impressive is the 44.4% career three point percentage. And not many have done it with better volume, heck really only two have as Dirk is 3rd in points all time. His numbers were dragged down even some by his first and last two seasons, in his peak he was good for 28 to 30 points a game. Just absolutely incredible. 

- He also wasn't a liability on the boards, even being a plus there at times. He averaged 10.5 for his career and was over 11 five times. He finished his career 6th in rebounds. Thats two top 10 stats for him to fall on. 

- Dirk was a solid defender, carrying an A- defense when he retired and always being above B for his career. Combine that with average amounts of stocks and you have a good to great positional defender. Even his stocks weren't bad, he averaged 2.5 stocks a game for his career, and no one ever expected him to be a rim protector so those numbers are pretty solid. 

- There isn't much else to be said of Dirk, he was statistically dominant in a number of areas, won a bunch of awards, and always filled his role in an incredible way. He also won a title with the Grizzlies and played in another finals. When you ask the question of "was this player feared and loathed to be played against in the playoffs" the answer is emphatically yes. To deny Dirk would be a travesty. 

Arguments Again Induction
- I mean was he anything more than a scorer, even if he was a legendary one? He didn't rebound at a good level, even he wasn't a "liability". Not being a liability doesn't mean you should be inducted into the Hall of Fame. 

- Was not a good passer and even though his turnovers were always kept low, his assist to turnover ratio was pathetic. If Dirk got the ball you could guarantee he was going to shoot it, luckily he was pretty good at shooting. 

- Oddly he got better defensively as he aged, but he was never a good defender. His best season with the Wizards he carried a B+ rating, seasons before that had a B. Never won any awards for his defense, never got a lot of stocks. Again just because no one expected him to be a rim protector doesn't mean it excuses the fact that this 7 footer couldn't even block 2 shots a game for his team. Pathetic. 

- Only two finals appearance? IF he was so good why did the Grizzlies with all that talent only make the finals twice in his career? 

- Overall its a tough case to make on a player that has only one even GOOD skill to him and that is putting the ball in the hoop. Sure he was literally legendary at it, but he was a one track player and are we going to say that those guys are Hall of Fame worthy?



Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully!





***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $25 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $25***

[Rog]

Dirk's Player Page


I voted yes, and pretty easily too. I had to reach hard as hell to make a case against but his legendary scoring ability and bulk amount of rebounds is something you simply can't say no to.


I'll have the last one, Vince Carter, up later today.

[JCog72]

Yes, Dirk was a great player in this league consistently

[yourkers15]

It's a yes for me. He might not of been a 2 way star but he was a complete threat on offense. We have not had a big like him in the league yet who was so efficient from the field and from 3. He also wasn't a terrible defender and was a better rebounder as he got older. Him being over 10 a game shows that especially when he did play next to rebound hog in Webber. I am just waiting for player page to choose what team to vote for.

[Rog]

Jul 7, 2016 20:53:08 GMT yourkers15 said:

It's a yes for me. He might not of been a 2 way star but he was a complete threat on offense. We have not had a big like him in the league yet who was so efficient from the field and from 3. He also wasn't a terrible defender and was a better rebounder as he got older. Him being over 10 a game shows that especially when he did play next to rebound hog in Webber. I am just waiting for player page to choose what team to vote for.

Its in my first post after the OP

Here again: nothinbutnetleague.altervista.org/NothinButNet/2013/htm31l/players/player501.htm
 

[yourkers15]

I was writing it before u post it. Got it now.

[The Dark Ages]

Yes; had some GOAT seasons...

[zheld32]

Definitey yes. As I wrote in my article he is the only nonguard to ever lead a champ team in scoring. Truly an elite scorer with a career average of a double double and over 44% from 3

[pg13]

Jul 7, 2016 21:03:59 GMT Rog said:

Jul 7, 2016 20:53:08 GMT yourkers15 said:

It's a yes for me. He might not of been a 2 way star but he was a complete threat on offense. We have not had a big like him in the league yet who was so efficient from the field and from 3. He also wasn't a terrible defender and was a better rebounder as he got older. Him being over 10 a game shows that especially when he did play next to rebound hog in Webber. I am just waiting for player page to choose what team to vote for.

Its in my first post after the OP

Here again: nothinbutnetleague.altervista.org/NothinButNet/2013/htm31l/players/player501.htm
 

Link didn't work for me

[Rog]

Jul 8, 2016 2:52:14 GMT pg13 said:

Jul 7, 2016 21:03:59 GMT Rog said:

Its in my first post after the OP

Here again: nothinbutnetleague.altervista.org/NothinButNet/2013/htm31l/players/player501.htm
 

Link didn't work for me

Weird. The one i posted in the second post of this thread works though, use that one. 

[pg13]

Jul 8, 2016 2:53:32 GMT Rog said:

Jul 8, 2016 2:52:14 GMT pg13 said:

Link didn't work for me

Weird. The one i posted in the second post of this thread works though, use that one. 

That one works.  I'm dumb

[Rog]

Jul 8, 2016 2:54:26 GMT pg13 said:

Jul 8, 2016 2:53:32 GMT Rog said:

Weird. The one i posted in the second post of this thread works though, use that one. 

That one works.  I'm dumb

You aren't lol, I posted the link that doesn't work idk why it doesn't work it seemingly looks like the exact link so idk. No one is dumb here

[pg13]

Jul 8, 2016 2:58:41 GMT Rog said:

Jul 8, 2016 2:54:26 GMT pg13 said:

That one works.  I'm dumb

You aren't lol, I posted the link that doesn't work idk why it doesn't work it seemingly looks like the exact link so idk. No one is dumb here

I never tried the other link.

[lynchcats]

Another easy yes. Six time All-Star, EIGHT time All-NBN (which means there were two years he wasn't an All-Star but put up All-League numbers). Prolific scorer, very good outside shooter, the definition of a stretch 4. Easy yes.

[Matt [Minnesota Timberwolves]]

Yes. Great player. Voted for myself cause no one ever votes for wizards.