2042 Hall of Fame Re-Vote - Deandre Ayton

[Donny - Bucks]

Yet ANOTHER big with an incredibly close campaign that ended up a re-vote eligibility the first time around, Ayton's hoping his offensive skill set will push him through the second time around. Will this be enough for him to get into the NBN Hall of Fame?

PLAYER PAGE -http://nothinbutnetleague.altervista.org/NothinButNet/Archive/2035/html/players/player589.htm

INITIAL VOTE - nothinbutnetleague.proboards.com/thread/23802/2036-hall-nominee-deandre-ayton



CAREER STATS
Games: 1305
MPG: 33.1
PPG: 19.4
RPG: 12.7
APG: 2.0
SPG: 1.1
BPG: 1.4
TOPG: 2.0
FG%: .454
FT%: .710
3P%: .000

Best Season (2023 Nuggets)
Games: 82
MPG: 35.3
PPG: 22.5
RPG: 13.9
APG: 2.1
SPG: 1.3
BPG: 2.4
TOPG: 2.5
FG%: .472
FT%: .711
3P%: .000

Career Highs
Points: 45
Rebounds: 27
Assists: 9
Steals: 6
Blocks: 7

Achievements
Championships: 0
Player of the Game: 199
Player of the Week: 2
Player of the Month: 1
Double Doubles: 922
Triple Doubles: 0

Awards
Career Leader in Double Doubles (922)
2019 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2019 - All-Star Game Participant
2020 - All-Star Game Participant
2021 - All-Star Game Participant
2022 - All-Star Game Participant
2023 - All-Star Game Participant
2023 - All-League Third Team
2024 - All-Star Game Participant
2026 - All-Star Game Participant
2027 - All-League Third Team
2029 - All-Star Game Participant



Arguments For Induction
- We've had real issues figuring out what bigs are worth the Hall of Fame and what bigs are not but I think Ayton's case is pretty strong all things considered. Guy was an elite offensive big for a large portion of his career (13 years of 19+ PPG) while also being a very high quality rebounder (13+ RPG in 10 different seasons) and getting a pretty good amount of stocks (high steals!) along the way.

- 8x All-Star with 2 All-League's seems pretty good if you ask me, especially considering the competition... the dude has 922 (!!!) double doubles over his career. There's no way you can discredit a dude who has that level of longevity over 1,300 games of which he never played less than 26.6 MPG over a season. That's really impressive given how crazy the drop off from some bigs tends to be.

- It's pretty often that we see players get traded and have issues figuring out their role or how they can best mesh with a team whereas Ayton had little to no issue figuring out how to produce wherever he was. 14 seasons of over 44% from the field and he was almost a lock to be a 19/12 big during the majority of his career which is not something most can pull out of their bag of tricks.

Arguments Against Induction
- No title! While he had a very solid amount of All-League and All-Star appearances given the league-wide competition, the lack of ring puts a damper on what feels like a pretty solid re-vote opportunity.

- The biggest issue from the initial voting thread was a lack of stock-getting ability. Ayton had a few years where he was 3+ stocks in his sleep but that ability really tapered off as his career went on and he was barely able to get a block a game at the end of his time in the league even as a 6'11" 260 big.

- Do we give enough love to offense-first, defense-second bigs in the league? I'll be the one to answer that... probably not. Considering the comparison to other bigs who haven't been able to get in like James Wiseman and in more recent years guys like Manny Leaks, we're going to have a lot of close yes's and likely a lot of close no's as well.

Vote carefully, and remember to throw out arguments regardless of which side you're on. This should be a discussion that eventually gets the league to the proper decision on him. Your vote can also be retracted after it's been cast if you feel like switching to the other side based on the arguments that have been made. To be inducted, a player needs 70% and to be considered in a later class they need 50%. Vote carefully.

***BONUS - Don't forget that everyone who votes gets $100 and the person that makes the best argument or contributes to the discussion the best will be awarded an extra $100***

[Donny - Bucks]

PS: Not sure if I'm going to post Nganga's thread, might save it because I anticipate having some weak HOF classes coming up

[yourkers15]

Yes. Multiple all star.games
League career leader in double doubles and some all league teams.

[pjclippers]

Still a no from me - nothing above an All-League Third Team and wasn't much of a shotblocker. Was very solid but I don't think he's HOF worthy.

[carmelo115]

Gotta say no. The lack of all league teams makes me wonder how much injuries played a factor in those ASG appearances. Great player, just not sure an all-time great.

[ucfinfan86]

I’m going no still

[josephballin11]

Great career and longevity, but not a GOAT to me unless we count mentor camps!

[John1974]

No

[hunt54]

yes for me all start appearances over 10 season and career leader in double doubles

[verysilentone]

I think the career leader in double doubles is what does it for me. He was obviously very good and very consistent for a long time. Going yes.

[vanimmer]

A homer yes vote

[Rog]

All time leader in double doubles, career 20 and 12, 8 time All-Star with two All-League teams? Hard for me to say no to any of that

[A. Silver]

Another easy yes. Ayton is STILL 7th best rebounder of all time, and is the 3rd best scorer among all big men behind just Ritter and Chet.

He is no longer the career leader in double doubles btw - he is 5th behind Jayden, Chet, Gilmore, and Ritter.

[cop5414]

No?

[Michael]

I wish there was an easy way to see how many games Ayton has won for his teams. That said, 20/10 for 9 seasons with a few other seasons being real close to that also. There's a lack of end of season accolades, which is probably due to his lack of stocks, but I think he gets in given his durability and longevity as those career records are very impressive and look like they won't be broken anytime soon. Voted yes.