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Post by A. Silver on Aug 13, 2024 15:57:14 GMT
You got the player and you aren't the one at issue here. Having two GMs offering, one saying they are willing to negotiate only to take an offer without negotiating is failing as an interim, which is what we're talking. I'm saying asking GMs to send best offer first is a bad take and something we shouldn't expect. And we should especially expect an interim GM to negatiate and get the best deal. I think some of that pressure needs to be applied to the rest of the GMs. We expect interims to part-time a second team, win every trade, and only make good signings while also getting every move scrutinized. When I interimed the Warriors, all my trades got shat on but all the offers I got were fucking horrible. If the interims are in place for the good of the league, everyone else has to do their part too. This is a good point in general, but I don't think it applies to the situation here. |
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Post by A. Silver on Aug 13, 2024 15:57:28 GMT
This is going to the trade committee.
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Post by hunt54 on Aug 13, 2024 15:59:01 GMT
Interim trade problems, someone post the dog ptsd meme for me.
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2024 16:00:13 GMT
Completely different issues here.
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2024 16:01:36 GMT
If this was almost anyone other than VSO this is far less controversial. It's near impossible to get PMs back from him sometimes and then he drops nukes of trades with a team that isn't his. The disconnect is causing the issue.
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Post by carlos on Aug 13, 2024 16:05:13 GMT
If this was almost anyone other than VSO this is far less controversial. It's near impossible to get PMs back from him sometimes and then he drops nukes of trades with a team that isn't his. The disconnect is causing the issue. I missed this energy when Ant was traded. nothinbutnetleague.proboards.com/thread/30941/raptors-blazersThis is the trade I tried to match. Bufkin last got traded for 3 picks from teams who's futures are set up. I traded 3 picks from teams that are currently better but are either dependent on resigning their entire roster (me) or Jokic not getting worse/ retiring (Jazz) |
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2024 16:12:44 GMT
If this was almost anyone other than VSO this is far less controversial. It's near impossible to get PMs back from him sometimes and then he drops nukes of trades with a team that isn't his. The disconnect is causing the issue. I missed this energy when Ant was traded. nothinbutnetleague.proboards.com/thread/30941/raptors-blazersThis is the trade I tried to match. Bufkin last got traded for 3 picks from teams who's futures are set up. I traded 3 picks from teams that are currently better but are either dependent on resigning their entire roster (me) or Jokic not getting worse/ retiring (Jazz) There was this energy for the Ant trade, it was just privately handled. Because of that and the Giddey and subsequent Chet deal, this shit boiled over and became a public issue. Fwiw for committee I'll vote to pass the deal based on the merits of the deal. It's fine value. He coilda had more potentially and the disconnect being there provides further issues. I stand by the Ant deal being tremendous value for the Wolves despite the Lakers moves but I fully expected backlash that never came except some mad people that VSO doesn't answer his PKs consistently enough. |
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2024 16:13:47 GMT
I don't feel like litigating this anymore with you Carlos. Don't think we're getting anywhere given your connection to VSO when the issue is VSO not the trade here.
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Post by verysilentone on Aug 13, 2024 16:15:46 GMT
If this was almost anyone other than VSO this is far less controversial. It's near impossible to get PMs back from him sometimes and then he drops nukes of trades with a team that isn't his. The disconnect is causing the issue. This is part of what I was discussing. Regardless of what I do, I get shit for it. So, I should just hold onto the players and not make any trades? That's what I did with the Suns and was criticized for it. The Suns situation was different because they had just made the West Finals. That Twolves team had only 3 players and their star a pending FA. I had to change things up. I don't think any of the trades that I have made are poor. I maybe could've gotten more for Chet. Maybe could've gotten more here, but IMO in this one, I balanced the two deals out and thought, Raptors is a good GM, Knicks is a good GM, 76ers is a good GM. First two are more wildcards in terms of deciding to up and rebuild, but yourkers isn't going to trade away SGA and Chet this year and make his pick be a lotto. Knicks just retooled yesterday, so he could rebuild by 2033, but he was discussing his plans for Aristode being in his lineup. I took a chance on Jokic's potential retirement or someone outbidding 76ers when they have Maxey, Bufkin, Barnes and Mobley all hitting FA in the next two years. There's zero chance he retains all 4. I'd say 50% chance, he keeps 3 of them at best. |
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Post by verysilentone on Aug 13, 2024 16:18:54 GMT
I don't feel like litigating this anymore with you Carlos. Don't think we're getting anywhere given your connection to VSO when the issue is VSO not the trade here. But the issue is me not trading with the Hornets? That's insane. If I were trading the players all to the West and selecting worse offers to benefit my team, I see the issue, but that's not what is happening. |
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Post by Rog on Aug 13, 2024 16:19:56 GMT
Idk if you and Carlos are being willfully ignorant to what im saying or just flat out not understanding. It's fine. I'm done replying here. I've said my piece, it's there if you wanna know the issue at hand. Trade will pass almost for sure
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Post by carlos on Aug 13, 2024 16:20:05 GMT
If this was almost anyone other than VSO this is far less controversial. It's near impossible to get PMs back from him sometimes and then he drops nukes of trades with a team that isn't his. The disconnect is causing the issue. This is part of what I was discussing. Regardless of what I do, I get shit for it. So, I should just hold onto the players and not make any trades? That's what I did with the Suns and was criticized for it. The Suns situation was different because they had just made the West Finals. That Twolves team had only 3 players and their star a pending FA. I had to change things up. I don't think any of the trades that I have made are poor. I maybe could've gotten more for Chet. Maybe could've gotten more here, but IMO in this one, I balanced the two deals out and thought, Raptors is a good GM, Knicks is a good GM, 76ers is a good GM. First two are more wildcards in terms of deciding to up and rebuild, but yourkers isn't going to trade away SGA and Chet this year and make his pick be a lotto. Knicks just retooled yesterday, so he could rebuild by 2033, but he was discussing his plans for Aristode being in his lineup. I took a chance on Jokic's potential retirement or someone outbidding 76ers when they have Maxey, Bufkin, Barnes and Mobley all hitting FA in the next two years. There's zero chance he retains all 4. I'd say 50% chance, he keeps 3 of them at best. Casually leaving out josephballin11 from the list of good GMs whose pick you were offered is perfect lol Sounds good Rog , just want consistency. I'm obviously gonna get defensive bc he's my brother and I didn't see the discussion for the trades that didn't involve me even though I think this is a solid value |
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Post by verysilentone on Aug 13, 2024 16:21:18 GMT
This is part of what I was discussing. Regardless of what I do, I get shit for it. So, I should just hold onto the players and not make any trades? That's what I did with the Suns and was criticized for it. The Suns situation was different because they had just made the West Finals. That Twolves team had only 3 players and their star a pending FA. I had to change things up. I don't think any of the trades that I have made are poor. I maybe could've gotten more for Chet. Maybe could've gotten more here, but IMO in this one, I balanced the two deals out and thought, Raptors is a good GM, Knicks is a good GM, 76ers is a good GM. First two are more wildcards in terms of deciding to up and rebuild, but yourkers isn't going to trade away SGA and Chet this year and make his pick be a lotto. Knicks just retooled yesterday, so he could rebuild by 2033, but he was discussing his plans for Aristode being in his lineup. I took a chance on Jokic's potential retirement or someone outbidding 76ers when they have Maxey, Bufkin, Barnes and Mobley all hitting FA in the next two years. There's zero chance he retains all 4. I'd say 50% chance, he keeps 3 of them at best. Casually leaving out josephballin11 from the list of good GMs whose pick you were offered is perfect lol Sounds good Rog , just want consistency. I'm obviously gonna get defensive bc he's my brother and I didn't see the discussion for the trades that didn't involve me even though I think this is a solid value That was unintentional |
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Post by verysilentone on Aug 13, 2024 16:32:14 GMT
Idk if you and Carlos are being willfully ignorant to what im saying or just flat out not understanding. It's fine. I'm done replying here. I've said my piece, it's there if you wanna know the issue at hand. Trade will pass almost for sure I'll PM you. I just want clarification, not about the trade, just in general since it doesn't seem like it's about this trade. |
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Post by SpikeLee14 on Aug 13, 2024 16:58:10 GMT
wait yall are brothers? lol
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