Post by Rog on Dec 19, 2016 3:12:45 GMT
The 60th and final new candidate of the 2017 class, Kirk Snyder was a scoring machine averaging 20 points a game for much of his career. Did he do enough besides put the ball in the hoop to be remembered as elite, or was he just a really good scorer and thus falls short of the threshold for Hall of Fame? Lets take a look.
Career Stats
36.3 MPG, 21.6 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 3.3 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 2.0 TOPG on 46.4% from the field, 76.2% from the field, and 32.2% from three
Best Season
Celtics(2014) - 26 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 3.9 APG, 1.8 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 2.0 TOPG on 46.6% from the field, 76.9% from the line, and 34.1% from three
Career Highs
Points: 48
Rebounds: 20
Assists: 13
Steals: 6
Blocks: 4
Achievements
Championships: 3
Player of the Game: 106
Player of the Week: 1
Player of the Month: 0
Double Doubles: 265
Triple Doubles: 2
Accolades
2005 - All-Star Rookie Game Participant
2014 - All-Star Game Participant
Arguments For Induction
- A lot like the other two candidates, despite some of his flaws Kirk Snyder was a straight up winner. He was apart of the 3 peat Celtics team with CP3 and Roy Hibbert, but Snyder was just as instrumental to those teams as CP3 and Hibbert were, giving a steady diet of slashing and rebounding. Those Celtics teams don't win without Snyder. Period.
- He was nearly an elite scorer, averaging 20 points or more for 10 seasons out of his somewhat short career. He also did this while being limited from three point land in a league dominated by three point scorers. That he was good enough offensively just to get a starting spot let alone scoring over 20 points a game for much of his career indicates what a good scorer he really was.
- Again, while being entirely limited shooting the three, Snyder was incredibly effective scoring the ball. He shot 46.4% from the field, a fantastic number. He also shot 76.2% from the line. He seriously was a really good scorer. Apart of that efficiency as well, he was pretty decent holding onto the ball averaging only 2 turnovers a game for his career, though did get up in the 2.5 range a bit which is nearing pretty meh. Overall, efficient player with good volume, thats a good combination.
- Snyder was frankly one of the best rebounding shooting guards in league history. While the Celtics were winning Snyder averaged over 7.2, 7.6, and 7.8, and the Celtics finished 10th, 1st, and 1st in those three years in rebounding. Snyder was intrusmental in keying possessions and opportunities to score. Its absolutely underrated having a guy at the 2 that can rebound at the level Snyder could.
- Snyder was just a crazy good all around player. For a 10 year stretch you could count on Snyder to give you 23 points, 7.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.5 steals, shoot the ball well and keep his turnovers down. Oh and he carried A defense a lot of his career, and A- to the end at worst. He was fantastic at every aspect of the game, although only elite rebounding the ball. He had some stiff competition for All-League and All-Star awards but he is a worthy addition to the Hall of Fame for his contribution to three title teams as well as some really good other teams.
Arguments Against Induction
- The lack of awards alone paint a picture of someone who is not a Hall of Famer, do they not? You can't be a Hall of Famer if you NEVER once were believed to be a top 3 player at your position can you? I sure don't think so.
- While a good scorer, an efficient shooting the ball from the field as a whole, Snyder was somewhat of a limited scoring player. Everything he did had to be toward the basket as he was an abysmal three point shooter, shooting just over 32% for his career and never cracking 40% in his career. In fact he basically flat out decided not to shoot them for the most part, averaging under 3 shots a game from that distance.
- Not a good defender, or at least its not proveable he was without any awards and limited stocks you can't really paint the picture of a good defender. For a shooting guard, he really didn't generate a lot of turnoers and combined with his somewhat high at times turnovers could cause a bit of an issue.
- Where is the case for the third fiddle guy who happened to play for a loaded team, great GM, and one of the best point guards of all time who set him up for a lot of his baskets. Did anyone fear playing Snder? Nope, he was the third best player, at best, and he wasn't known to take over games. Its just a tough argument to make where he doesn't have awards, doesn't have elite statistics, and wasn't known as an elite player in any key category besides rebounding. To me, thats not a Hall of Famer.
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. If he won some more awards I would of went with yess but that really is the killer.
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