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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 18:34:23 GMT
I'm certain everyone is agreement that the Mavs are getting traped. The trade veto has just worn on some. Instead of getting tired of the veto, get tired of lopsided, one-sided deals imo… Unfortunately, we need to have a protection system involved for brand new GMs who don’t have a full grasp on player values here This’ll probably be my last comment on the thread so nobody yells at me but this is clearly worse than the Davis trade What’s the point of cleaning out your roster and trading guys that are tops of their respective positions for guys who very clearly do not have that type of ceiling? |
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Post by dash on Dec 3, 2022 18:48:50 GMT
One of the worst trades I have ever seen but I don't believe in vetoes either
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Post by dash on Dec 3, 2022 19:04:02 GMT
Take Eackles out for an expiring. The fact he's in there is just insulting honestly.
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Post by A. Silver on Dec 3, 2022 19:04:17 GMT
This trade isn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, especially since no one has seen the other offers he has gotten for Jordan.
Sampson is an elite center, Sanders just won the Gold in the Olympics for having the highest potential, and Laettner could have gone anywhere from 2-6 in the last draft and is an excellent prospect. Like it or not, the Larry Bird contract is a negative to a very high percentage of GMs in the league. People here are crazy about older players with big contracts - I could not literally give away Caldwell Jones in a salary dump when he was still producing at a HOF level. Otis Birdsong HOFer I also found to have next to no value. Van is one of the very few GMs who would even consider taking that contract and even he expressed regret for having to take it. Now that he has the rest of the league is jealous that they didn't make a legitimate offer.
I've seen the other offers he got - they are not good. If a new GM comes in and wants to make a move then they should be able to as long as it doesn't destroy the future of the team. With no draft picks given up and getting out of a big contract I don't see how this can be vetoed. Some GMs don't like to win in sim leagues with teams they have inherited, and this is the best offer they got, but the league still says they can't do it....what's the point?
I guess we can send it to the trade committee, but I will vote against vetoing this deal and I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league.
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Post by pjclippers on Dec 3, 2022 19:04:43 GMT
One of the worst trades I have ever seen but I don't believe in vetoes either I think the issue is that it's a newer GM who might not be well versed in trade values yet - if this was a deal between two established GMs then no one would be talking about a veto. They would just be laughing at them about how bad of a deal they made LOL. |
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 19:07:14 GMT
Very respectfully here, and I am not trying to complain but:
“I would not be against doing a rebuild, but let me be VERY clear. I am not giving MJ away, unless it's for multiple good young players, promising picks, lots of cash (a great combination of the three). Trading MJ would be the trigger of a rebuild, and then others could/will be dealt for much cheaper. Please know, I am not completely sold on moving him, so even if you have a great offer, I might very well say no. “
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Post by frosty on Dec 3, 2022 19:09:39 GMT
Respectfully, bad trades are what make the league not fun for everyone who isn’t involved. I respect the opinion and everything but it’s clear that the Mavericks don’t really understand the proper values just yet. Idc what happens either way but deals like these that have happened over the last few seasons have genuinely drained my interest and that’’d end up being pretty consequentially detrimental if others felt that way. Seems like we’ve had more lopsided trades the last few seasons than we did before. like I said Idc what happens here but let’s stop acting like this deal makes sense I'm certain everyone is agreement that the Mavs are getting traped. The trade veto has just worn on some. when was the last time a trade was vetoed or sent to committee? Honest question. This doesn't feel like an every week thing or something that's a consistent problem. I'm fine with getting rid of the trade committee. I was of the opinion that it should only be used to give new GMs a little protection or in cases of collusion but if that's causing people problems then let's get rid of the trade committee. I won't harp too much more but I just don't see how a couple comments saying "hey the committee might want to consider talking about a veto" would be considered constant complaining and wearing down on people. I definitely won't suggest it again as I don't intend to wear on the commish or any other GMs at all, im just expressing that discussion/suggestion using a part of the rules doesn't automatically equal complaining. |
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Post by frosty on Dec 3, 2022 19:15:20 GMT
I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league. okay point taken. Apologies for bringing it up. Intent was simply to discuss the league, I'll stick to discussing my team from now on as to not inadvertently cause drama. |
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Post by sidtiancam on Dec 3, 2022 19:22:07 GMT
This trade isn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, especially since no one has seen the other offers he has gotten for Jordan. Sampson is an elite center, Sanders just won the Gold in the Olympics for having the highest potential, and Laettner could have gone anywhere from 2-6 in the last draft and is an excellent prospect. Like it or not, the Larry Bird contract is a negative to a very high percentage of GMs in the league. People here are crazy about older players with big contracts - I could not literally give away Caldwell Jones in a salary dump when he was still producing at a HOF level. Otis Birdsong HOFer I also found to have next to no value. Van is one of the very few GMs who would even consider taking that contract and even he expressed regret for having to take it. Now that he has the rest of the league is jealous that they didn't make a legitimate offer. I've seen the other offers he got - they are not good. If a new GM comes in and wants to make a move then they should be able to as long as it doesn't destroy the future of the team. With no draft picks given up and getting out of a big contract I don't see how this can be vetoed. Some GMs don't like to win in sim leagues with teams they have inherited, and this is the best offer they got, but the league still says they can't do it....what's the point? I guess we can send it to the trade committee, but I will vote against vetoing this deal a nd I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league. This could be a reason you have been seeing more open teams, and might very well continue. The bad part is, even as a new GM, I knew that this was going to be the case, because there are frankly entirely too many people who act like bullies behind their phones/keyboards in this forum. |
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Post by sidtiancam on Dec 3, 2022 19:25:22 GMT
Very respectfully here, and I am not trying to complain but: “I would not be against doing a rebuild, but let me be VERY clear. I am not giving MJ away, unless it's for multiple good young players, promising picks, lots of cash (a great combination of the three). Trading MJ would be the trigger of a rebuild, and then others could/will be dealt for much cheaper. Please know, I am not completely sold on moving him, so even if you have a great offer, I might very well say no. “ 😶 Ultimately, I decided that the Bird contract needed to go. The only way I was going to accomplish that was to put him in a deal with Jordan. Doing that, made it impossible to get back anything close to what I would try and get back for Jordan himself. |
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 19:25:45 GMT
This trade isn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, especially since no one has seen the other offers he has gotten for Jordan. Sampson is an elite center, Sanders just won the Gold in the Olympics for having the highest potential, and Laettner could have gone anywhere from 2-6 in the last draft and is an excellent prospect. Like it or not, the Larry Bird contract is a negative to a very high percentage of GMs in the league. People here are crazy about older players with big contracts - I could not literally give away Caldwell Jones in a salary dump when he was still producing at a HOF level. Otis Birdsong HOFer I also found to have next to no value. Van is one of the very few GMs who would even consider taking that contract and even he expressed regret for having to take it. Now that he has the rest of the league is jealous that they didn't make a legitimate offer. I've seen the other offers he got - they are not good. If a new GM comes in and wants to make a move then they should be able to as long as it doesn't destroy the future of the team. With no draft picks given up and getting out of a big contract I don't see how this can be vetoed. Some GMs don't like to win in sim leagues with teams they have inherited, and this is the best offer they got, but the league still says they can't do it....what's the point? I guess we can send it to the trade committee, but I will vote against vetoing this deal a nd I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league. This could be a reason you have been seeing more open teams, and might very well continue. The bad part is, even as a new GM, I knew that this was going to be the case, because there are frankly entirely too many people who act like bullies behind their phones/keyboards in this forum. Respectfully, I don’t really think this is the right way to go about this. If we are looking to censor opinions and not have as much discussion, so be it, but it’s pretty clear that nobody is saying anything to bully anyone here on this thread. The deal is looked at unfavorably around the league. That’s what the discussion is about. Making it something it isn’t in this specific situation will do nothing but alienate the GMs in the thread who are speaking their minds. |
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 19:33:08 GMT
This could be a reason you have been seeing more open teams, and might very well continue. The bad part is, even as a new GM, I knew that this was going to be the case, because there are frankly entirely too many people who act like bullies behind their phones/keyboards in this forum. . Making it something it isn’t in this specific situation will do nothing but alienate the GMs in the thread who are speaking their minds.  |
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Post by josephballin11 on Dec 3, 2022 19:36:50 GMT
Thought the trade favored the Nuggets, but they will pay during the later part of the Bird deal. Get it from the Mavs standpoint, but thought he would be able to pry a better asset from him
Its not an awful trade and trying to committee this is ridiculous---Should have offered him a better deal (Carlos may have, but wasn't what he was looking for (Rebuilding))
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Post by pjclippers on Dec 3, 2022 19:38:34 GMT
Not sure how people giving their opinion on something is "bullying" anyone - no one is making any personal attacks on you or anything. As a matter of fact everyone was trying to help you because we thought you don't understand trade value yet and wanted to make sure that you didn't ruin your team. Personally I think there were avenues out there to shed the Bird contract without giving up arguably the best player in the league to do so but if that was your goal and you understood that you were losing the trade in an effort to do that then more power to you.
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Post by hunt54 on Dec 3, 2022 19:39:37 GMT
Very respectfully here, and I am not trying to complain but: “I would not be against doing a rebuild, but let me be VERY clear. I am not giving MJ away, unless it's for multiple good young players, promising picks, lots of cash (a great combination of the three). Trading MJ would be the trigger of a rebuild, and then others could/will be dealt for much cheaper. Please know, I am not completely sold on moving him, so even if you have a great offer, I might very well say no. “ 😶 Ultimately, I decided that the Bird contract needed to go. The only way I was going to accomplish that was to put him in a deal with Jordan. Doing that, made it impossible to get back anything close to what I would try and get back for Jordan himself. if everyone would have just chilled and waited for you to post this comment , hopefully they would have accepted it. but who knows. |
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