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Post by josephballin11 on Dec 3, 2022 19:41:12 GMT
Not sure how people giving their opinion on something is "bullying" anyone - no one is making any personal attacks on you or anything. As a matter of fact everyone was trying to help you because we thought you don't understand trade value yet and wanted to make sure that you didn't ruin your team. Personally I think there were avenues out there to shed the Bird contract without giving up arguably the best player in the league to do so but if that was your goal and you understood that you were losing the trade in an effort to do that then more power to you. Last couple weeks have def been out of hand--I get what he's saying and I'm not going to say he's wrong |
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Post by carlos on Dec 3, 2022 19:44:44 GMT
This trade isn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, especially since no one has seen the other offers he has gotten for Jordan. Sampson is an elite center, Sanders just won the Gold in the Olympics for having the highest potential, and Laettner could have gone anywhere from 2-6 in the last draft and is an excellent prospect. Like it or not, the Larry Bird contract is a negative to a very high percentage of GMs in the league. People here are crazy about older players with big contracts - I could not literally give away Caldwell Jones in a salary dump when he was still producing at a HOF level. Otis Birdsong HOFer I also found to have next to no value. Van is one of the very few GMs who would even consider taking that contract and even he expressed regret for having to take it. Now that he has the rest of the league is jealous that they didn't make a legitimate offer. I've seen the other offers he got - they are not good. If a new GM comes in and wants to make a move then they should be able to as long as it doesn't destroy the future of the team. With no draft picks given up and getting out of a big contract I don't see how this can be vetoed. Some GMs don't like to win in sim leagues with teams they have inherited, and this is the best offer they got, but the league still says they can't do it....what's the point? I guess we can send it to the trade committee, but I will vote against vetoing this deal a nd I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league. This could be a reason you have been seeing more open teams, and might very well continue. The bad part is, even as a new GM, I knew that this was going to be the case, because there are frankly entirely too many people who act like bullies behind their phones/keyboards in this forum. I had the first post and I'm sorry if it came off stronger than I intended. I thought the value was off but I get wanting to rebuild. I never meant to bring up a veto since you have your picks and now have a few young players to build around, so you have a clear direction. Just figured MJ would bring in more interest around the league. Definitely don't wanna bully gms or run off new people |
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Post by hunt54 on Dec 3, 2022 19:46:32 GMT
Not sure how people giving their opinion on something is "bullying" anyone - no one is making any personal attacks on you or anything. As a matter of fact everyone was trying to help you because we thought you don't understand trade value yet and wanted to make sure that you didn't ruin your team. Personally I think there were avenues out there to shed the Bird contract without giving up arguably the best player in the league to do so but if that was your goal and you understood that you were losing the trade in an effort to do that then more power to you. Last couple weeks have def been out of hand--I get what he's saying and I'm not going to say he's wrong honestly I think with how things have been we should do this. at least until we all start behaving. All agreed trades will be dm'ed to silver(or other mod) both parties must be apart of the message. If silver doesn't deem it abusive or a detriment to the league, it will be processed and posted in the trade thread after the fact. If silver wants a second opinion he can post it in the thread and it can go to council. |
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 19:56:51 GMT
Nothing that’s been said in the thread is overboard so I don’t really think it’s fair to shit on GMs who have done nothing wrong
I’ve definitely had my fair share of issues in the past but Frosty did literally nothing wrong
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Post by Retired on Dec 3, 2022 20:51:48 GMT
There was zero bullying, I didn’t make a single comment towards the Mavs/Nuggets GM except asking for an explanation why he would do this. I gave my thoughts on the trade and the players involved which I’m allowed too
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Post by sidtiancam on Dec 3, 2022 21:19:37 GMT
There was zero bullying, I didn’t make a single comment towards the Mavs/Nuggets GM except asking for an explanation why he would do this. I gave my thoughts on the trade and the players involved which I’m allowed too I was not pointing out any one individual post. It's a herd mentality, where everyone comes in throwing shots, adding fuel to each other's fire. There was no individual comment that was a direct "name call" at me. That doesn't change the fact/issue of this, in that there are comments made/more comments made, which causes the thread to become out of control; then commish comes in to try and be the cooler. I've been here a month/month and a half, and it's happened at LEAST 10 times. It's just unnecessary. |
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Post by HF on Dec 3, 2022 21:31:42 GMT
I’m not gonna stop offering my opinion on trades. I still think this is a bad deal. And me giving my opinion is not gonna stop.
You didn’t get any other offer that was good and you’re gonna rebuild so it’s fine.
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Post by HF on Dec 3, 2022 21:33:11 GMT
But I think when moving a player of Jordan’s caliber, you need to get a sure fire stud prospect in return. I don’t see that here.
But again, no one stepped up to the plate with a good offer, which is typical in this league because everyone overvalued their youth and late bloomers and want to go for the rape. Everyone wants to offer less than they’re willing to give to see what they can squeeze out of every deal instead of just giving fair value. It is what it is.
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Post by Donny - Bucks on Dec 3, 2022 22:35:08 GMT
There was zero bullying, I didn’t make a single comment towards the Mavs/Nuggets GM except asking for an explanation why he would do this. I gave my thoughts on the trade and the players involved which I’m allowed too I was not pointing out any one individual post. It's a herd mentality, where everyone comes in throwing shots, adding fuel to each other's fire. There was no individual comment that was a direct "name call" at me. That doesn't change the fact/issue of this, in that there are comments made/more comments made, which causes the thread to become out of control; then commish comes in to try and be the cooler. I've been here a month/month and a half, and it's happened at LEAST 10 times. It's just unnecessary. I don't think anyone came in throwing shots on this, the whole point of the "State of the League" thing was to deal with that. Nobody was insulting anybody and I don't think things were out of control? It seems like everyone has been pretty focused on the trade value + rebuild timing given the Finals Game 7 appearance last year. Nobody is insulting you or anyone else.. just confused about the trade. It's just basic trade discussion. |
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Post by SpikeLee14 on Dec 3, 2022 22:37:28 GMT
What I have learned about this league is that there will always be someone that hates a trade that’s made. So what I can say is go prove them wrong
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Post by Rog on Dec 3, 2022 23:23:13 GMT
This trade isn't nearly as bad as everyone is making it out to be, especially since no one has seen the other offers he has gotten for Jordan. Sampson is an elite center, Sanders just won the Gold in the Olympics for having the highest potential, and Laettner could have gone anywhere from 2-6 in the last draft and is an excellent prospect. Like it or not, the Larry Bird contract is a negative to a very high percentage of GMs in the league. People here are crazy about older players with big contracts - I could not literally give away Caldwell Jones in a salary dump when he was still producing at a HOF level. Otis Birdsong HOFer I also found to have next to no value. Van is one of the very few GMs who would even consider taking that contract and even he expressed regret for having to take it. Now that he has the rest of the league is jealous that they didn't make a legitimate offer. I've seen the other offers he got - they are not good. If a new GM comes in and wants to make a move then they should be able to as long as it doesn't destroy the future of the team. With no draft picks given up and getting out of a big contract I don't see how this can be vetoed. Some GMs don't like to win in sim leagues with teams they have inherited, and this is the best offer they got, but the league still says they can't do it....what's the point? I guess we can send it to the trade committee, but I will vote against vetoing this deal and I think the first two pages of this thread really highlight how many whiners and drama queens we have in the league. Wait, posting opinions on trade is whining and complaining? This trade is bad, a lot of people think its bad. Why can't we say its bad? The other offers might be bad, and the new GM very well might want to do this and thats fine. If hes committing to a direction and needed a deal, I get it. I'll vote to put it through on that grounds, but this deal is not good IMO. And the league should be able to say it without being called whiners and drama queens. If we wanna make a rule no commenting on trades cool, but this feels way out of line on a thread that feels fairly tame. Lopsided deals are always going to get comments, this is no exception even if the deal is explainable. |
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Post by cheddar on Dec 4, 2022 0:06:27 GMT
Is Bird’s contract bad? I mean it’s a max but it’s not as if he’s making 50-55M or even down the road? I still don’t understand that one. He has positive value, he’s coming off a season at 26-9-4 playing beside a guy who averaged 32 ppg. Am I missing something on that one? I know he’s 34, but he’s on at 11 years in.
To not even get Coleman in the deal, his best youth, is a tough pill to swallow for me. Of course everyone would try to steal Jordan from a newer guy. That’s FBB unfortunately. But to say you have to include Jordan to dump Bird makes no sense IMO. Respectfully, this is just about value.
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Post by carlos on Dec 4, 2022 0:11:31 GMT
Is Bird’s contract bad? I mean it’s a max but it’s not as if he’s making 50-55M or even down the road? I still don’t understand that one. He has positive value, he’s coming off a season at 26-9-4 playing beside a guy who averaged 32 ppg. Am I missing something on that one? I know he’s 34, but he’s on at 11 years in. To not even get Coleman in the deal, his best youth, is a tough pill to swallow for me. Of course everyone would try to steal Jordan from a newer guy. That’s FBB unfortunately. But to say you have to include Jordan to dump Bird makes no sense IMO. Respectfully, this is just about value. To Mavs' credit, I think the Bird deal is pretty bad. I haven't checked past rosters but remember his ratings consistently dropping. It's early, but his production this year has sucked, he's 34, has F potential, is signed for big money for 4 more years, and will make $44m at 38. I would think a contender would take a chance on him if his numbers improve this season, but most are near the $150m cap so that's not a guarantee either. I think he's eligible for an amnesty though as a new GM |
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Post by dash on Dec 4, 2022 0:14:33 GMT
I'd take bird but I'm one of the few probably
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Post by cheddar on Dec 4, 2022 0:19:27 GMT
He’s averaging 20 ppg on 39% shooting, he’s going to average 24-25 ppg again this season like he has each season he’s been in the league. 44M isn’t even going to be dabilitating, not to mention the mentoring he offers for a team with youth and likely cap in 3-4 seasons.
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